2 club opener the idiot passes

[Gerben42]

Pass = I don't want to play with you anymore.

 

It's like this auction:

 

North: 1♥

South: 1♠

North: 2♥

South: 2♠

North: 3♥

South: Double

West: You can't double your partner!

South: He's no longer my partner!

 

Not to be confused with an auction like this:

 

North: 1♠

South: 2NT Jacoby

North: 3♣ Singleton

South: 4♣ Confusing

North: Pass

 

Here Pass = I enjoy pain.

[MickyB]

If you treat his 2♣ openings as only semi-forcing, he will start opening 4♠ or 3NT whenever he has a real 2♣ opening. And rightly so. Then you will pass his 2♣ openings with more and more values, and raise his 4♠ openings to six with a flat hand with an ace and a king.

Ok, having thought a little more I agree that passing 2C is wrong on this hand. However, I still think that 32 32 432 765432 is likely to gain IMPs by passing. There are pards who I wouldn't do it with - same as there are pards that don't like psyches, or the risking of a game for an overtrick even when it is mathematically right to do so. I disagree totally with Helene's statement - opening 3N or 4♠ on an absolute GF would not be justifiable just because there is a 0.1% chance of partner deciding to pass 2♣.

[paulg]

Bridge is a partnership game - passing a strong 2♣ opener is an individual decision by the significantly weaker hand and is masterminding (that is, making the decision because you do not trust partner) of the worst sort in my opinion.

 

If your partner does continue to play with you, then you should discuss which hands you will open 2♣ and which you will open at the 1-level. Experts tend to be happier [than beginner/intermediates] to open strong hands at the 1-level and keep the 2♣ bid really for game-forcing hands.

 

There is a very small fraction of hands where you can contemplate passing a forcing bid. However these all have more information available than one bid from partner AND you believe that partner will understand your decision. Clearly neither of these conditions are true here.

 

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[jillybean]

Wow, Helene, the dog idea did not occur to me yet. But 2 puppies arriving july2nd... what possibilities. Furthermore partner hates dogs. Pity partner lives 30 km away.

Guggie, with 2 puppies you will have no time for bridge!

[guggie]

that s what my husband hopes;-)

[Elianna]

It would never occur to me to pass 2♣ in Standard or 2/1, or anywhere else that this is a strong forcing opening showing nothing about partner's shape.

 

I must admit that I have passed partner's forcing bid before. Playing Standard American, the bidding went:

 

1♣-(1♠)-pass-(pass);

2♠-all pass

 

And I held 9xxxxxx/xxx/xxx/--. Of course, partner WAS limited, I didn't have a four card major, nor a real spade stopper.

 

On the opening lead, partner said "you better have seven or eight small spades and nothing else", and I just grinned at him and arranged dummy (this was in a live game).

[keylime]

K it's time for confessional.

 

I've passed a Precision 1C once, on sheer accident, because my mind was on the last hand where I chunked an overtrick and contract. Not good karma. That and I was not happy with the course of my game; I had stunk up the joint. And I probably was craving either DQ or Skittles or pizza.

 

We ended up with a cold top, I hit pard's hand. I still don't know why I did that but it happened. Pard was "mildly suprised" but thrilled with the +130. The opps took some sympathy.

[Guest Jlall]

I opened a strong club once and passed 1D with 2272 15 count :) Pard had 7 hearts lol

[Double !]

I opened a strong club once and passed 1D with 2272 15 count ;) Pard had 7 hearts lol

Curious.

How many spades could the opps make?

[Winstonm]

I opened a strong club once and passed 1D with 2272 15 count  Pard had 7 hearts lol

 

Are we to assume that partnership is still healthy and viable? LoLoL.

 

WinstonM

[the hog]

North has bal 22 hcp so has a normal 2C opener, unless my arithmetic is off.

Eh! Last time I looked a 2NT opening shows 20-22 in most standard systems.

[Elianna]

North has bal 22 hcp so has a normal 2C opener, unless my arithmetic is off.

Eh! Last time I looked a 2NT opening shows 20-22 in most standard systems.

Funny how a point makes a difference. Most modern bridge teachers teach 2NT shows 20-21.

 

Anyway, what would help is playing some bid that right away shows a double negative. My partner and I play that this sequence is passable:

 

2♣-2♥;

2NT

 

But not if the 2♥ bid were anything else (ie 2♦, while still "waiting" sets up a gameforce, allowing the 2♣ bidder to rebid 2NT with a really strong hand, too)

[the hog]

"Funny how a point makes a difference. Most modern bridge teachers teach 2NT shows 20-21."

 

Really? I love generalisations like this. I would be very interested in seeing the results of your survey of "most modern bridge teachers."

[Guest Jlall]

elianna is correct about most modern US bridge teachers, perhaps wrong in other parts of the world (i have no idea).

[Guest Jlall]

I opened a strong club once and passed 1D with 2272 15 count ;) Pard had 7 hearts lol

Curious.

How many spades could the opps make?

We could make 4H and they could make 2S. Pard only had 6 points but they were the right ones :)

[Elianna]

"Funny how a point makes a difference. Most modern bridge teachers teach 2NT shows 20-21."

 

Really? I love generalisations like this. I would be very interested in seeing the results of your survey of "most modern bridge teachers."

Funny how you seem to protest about generalizations such as that, and yet you said 2NT shows 20-22 in most standard systems? Is that not a generalization?

 

Mine at least is likely to be accurate. While I have not taken a survey of modern bridge teachers, I have seen teaching material put out by the ACBL, which states that opening 2NT has a range of 20-21.

 

Granted, the ACBL is not the be all and end all of modern bridge, nor of what's "standard" and I probably made a mistake when I said most modern teachers, I should have said american teachers. If you wish to investigate, go to the acbl webpage, download their manual for teachers, and look at page 15 (section 1, deal 6)

 

Where do you get the info for YOUR claims? Or are YOUR generalizations exempt from needing to be backed up.

[Elianna]

Eh! Last time I looked a 2NT opening shows 20-22 in most standard systems.

Now that you've got my attention, look at even the yellow card, which many people on bbo tend to treat as "Standard American", and at bbo standard and bbo advanced.

 

A link to an image of the yellow card (ie SAYC) is: http://www.bridgeprotour.com/ (click on yellow card on the bottom of the page).

 

I'll await your sources with anticipation.

[Winstonm]

Quibbling over a measley 1 high card point seems a little senseless, when we all know that whatever the range it's the quality of the hand rather than exact point count that makes it worth 2C-2N.

 

Also, I am fully aware of what being a jack short of my bid makes me... ;)

[Elianna]

Quibbling over a measley 1 high card point seems a little senseless, when we all know that whatever the range it's the quality of the hand rather than exact point count that makes it worth 2C-2N.

 

Also, I am fully aware of what being a jack short of my bid makes me... ;)

With all due respect here, Wiston, The Hog and I are NOT quibbling over 1 point right now. I agree that it's irrelevant to bridge, but it's completely relevant to how quite a few people on the forums treat others.

[Guest Jlall]

I agree that it's irrelevant to bridge, but it's completely relevant to how quite a few people on the forums treat others.

On that note...you suck! ;)

[Winstonm]

On that note...you suck!

 

And, of course, this reminds me of another bridge story. :)

 

Years ago the director was summoned to the table and a "player who will remain nameless" stated that his opponents had called him a "lousy &*!@#$##$!"

 

His complaint it turns out was not over the derogatory term; rather he complained vehemently about being called, "Lousy". ;) ROFLMAO.

[the hog]

Quibbling over a measley 1 high card point seems a little senseless, when we all know that whatever the range it's the quality of the hand rather than exact point count that makes it worth 2C-2N.

 

Also, I am fully aware of what being a jack short of my bid makes me...  ;)

With all due respect here, Wiston, The Hog and I are NOT quibbling over 1 point right now. I agree that it's irrelevant to bridge, but it's completely relevant to how quite a few people on the forums treat others.

Not at all; I just get amused when people make blanket statements and expect others to accept them as gospel truth.

[Guest Jlall]

Eh! Last time I looked a 2NT opening shows 20-22 in most standard systems.

Not at all; I just get amused when people make blanket statements and expect others to accept them as gospel truth.

[the hog]

Ho hum Justin, look at the online system cards on the ecats site of those who play a strong 2NT opening. While you are at it, look up the same information on Daniel's system site.

[Guest Jlall]

the point about who is right or wrong is irrelevant the point is that you say you get amused with people who make blanket statements when you use them yourself. I get amused by hypocrisy. Anyways this is going to turn into a pissing contest so I'm done with this thread.