luke warm Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 ♠AJT84♥T85♦94♣Q54 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Pass, you have everything you never wanted to open 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 3rd seat favourable I don't think that I want to be predictable. So, I'll vary what I bid. Sometimes I'll pass. Sometimes bid 1♠ (which looks probably more helpful than 2♠), sometimes 2. 1NT is less appealing playing a strong no-trump than a weak one, where the bid is partially protected, but ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 2 shovels♠ (spades) in a heartbeat. 1) i have interior sequence with Ace/ I want or can stand the lead.2) pressure bidding on lho3) without good fit and distro, pard better have a good reason for taking further action4) am of the old KS school that advocates keeping 3rd seat openers relatively up to strength in order to not distort the rest of the system and create the needs for compensatory conventions to guard against a light opener. If you bid 1S and P makes a negX, I'll help you purchase the shovel to did the hole you will want to crawl into.5) if you pass, chances are good that you might never get a chance to show spade holding. 6) by not bidding now, partner might infer that you have length but not much strength in spades at some point during the play of the hand and defend accordingly on a negative inference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 3rd seat favourable I don't think that I want to be predictable. PASS 3RD seat favourable I think that I want to be predictable.Pass with 5323 shape and less than 11hcp.Of course my pass may fool opp more than my bidding 1 or 2 spades. <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 3rd seat favorable, anything goes. CAVEAT EMPTOR (or caveat pre-emptor)especially if matchpoints. guess itz a matter of style. pard should feel lucky that i have at least 5 spades, I have known a few people who would open 2S on 4-bagger favorable- 3rd seat. (also 3 of a suit on xxxxx nv/ lolololol) and, I would rather make this type of bid that to open a weak 2 bid on a J or Q-empty 6th suit with outside cards such as seems to be in vogue these days.Told ye, I am a dinosaur when it comes to certain bidding principles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 [hv=d=e&v=n&n=skq2hq74dakqt32c2&w=sajt84ht85d94cq54&e=s9753hj3dj85cakj9&s=s6hak962d76ct8763]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] E----------S----------W----------N P----------P---------2♠--------3D4♠-----P-----------X .... all pass the result was e/w -500... imo it seems that pass allows n/s to find the (cold) 4♥ or 5♦ games, with whatever tools are available, tho i guess they wouldn't always do so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 woohoo, a 3 imp win because NS don't play any weak 55+ openings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 yes fredrick, we all know how unimportant those 3 imp swings are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Dealer: East Vul: N/S Scoring: IMP ♠ KQ2 ♥ Q74 ♦ AKQT32 ♣ 2 ♠ AJT84 ♥ T85 ♦ 94 ♣ Q54 ♠ 9753 ♥ J3 ♦ J85 ♣ AKJ9 ♠ 6 ♥ AK962 ♦ 76 ♣ T8763 E----------S----------W----------N P----------P---------2♠--------3D4♠-----P-----------X .... all pass the result was e/w -500... imo it seems that pass allows n/s to find the (cold) 4♥ or 5♦ games, with whatever tools are available, tho i guess they wouldn't always do so I can pass in third seat with my hand since P cannot have that hand.4234 with 10HCP NV in first seat open ONE CLUB. We find our double fit in clubs and spades fast. Much harder for opp to find 4H or 5D now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 ok, i understand that.. but i don't understand why it matters... he could still raise you to 4♠ with 6 hcp and a 5232 hand, right? as a matter of fact, it seems safer to do it on a 6 count than a 10 count Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 4234 with 10HCP NV in first seat open ONE CLUB. We find our double fit in clubs and spades fast. Much harder for opp to find 4H or 5D now. I like to open light, I REALLY doEven with an agreement to open 10-12 HCP hands, I'm passing this one.It looks like a 9 count to me Jx and Jxx really aren't pulling their weight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 ok, i understand that.. but i don't understand why it matters... he could still raise you to 4♠ with 6 hcp and a 5232 hand, right? Well seems easy to get to 4s with your example 5-5 fit hands NV?P=P=P=1D1s? Now opener may overcall 1s as passed hand or....p=p=p=1dp=1h=1s? Note on this 5-4 fit hand it is the double fit in clubs and spades that makes the hand only minus 500 and the opp making, yes?If you open 2s and p has some other 4 card raise to 4s..it may or may not be disaster, yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 ♠AJT84♥T85♦94♣Q54 I'm also passing...Bad shape (5332s are evil)Decent defense If I were forced to open, I prefer 1S or even 1♣ to 2♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 I'm kinda surprised by the responses so far, I'm opening 2♠ in a flash (or in tempo). Perfect conditions for a lead-directing pressure bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Three little words: Third seat favorable. 2S easy, in spite of 5332. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Note on this 5-4 fit hand it is the double fit in clubs and spades that makes the hand only minus 500 and the opp making, yes?If you open 2s and p has some other 4 card raise to 4s..it may or may not be disaster, yes? true B) i wonder how it would have gone had west passed... it's possible n/s might not even reach game... to me, that's the biggest advantage to passing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Note on this 5-4 fit hand it is the double fit in clubs and spades that makes the hand only minus 500 and the opp making, yes?If you open 2s and p has some other 4 card raise to 4s..it may or may not be disaster, yes? true B) note that partner, albeit under some pressure, broke discipline by bidding 4S. The shape isn't that great. Sorry, but if one's agreements are all bets are off 3rd seat, favorable, then partner can't assume you have a 6-bagger, and decent shape is needed along with twump support. Are the opps getting to 4H if responder/advancer bids only 3S? doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 1S: This is likely my first and last chance to aid the defense and I have a strong preference for a spade lead. WinstonM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civill Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 2♠ must be a double-dummy open bid.1♠ open is in the WOS.Pass is generally. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 2S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 the result was e/w -500... imo it seems that pass allows n/s to find the (cold) 4♥ or 5♦ games, with whatever tools are available, tho i guess they wouldn't always do so That's why I prefer 1S over 2S - it doesn't propel partner into a poor and/or phantom sacrifice. As long as partner is aware that 3rd seat can make these types of lead-directing 1-bids, he should not hang you out to dry if the auction indicates that you may not have full values. In this situation, the worst it should be would be: 1S-2D-3D. Now, you may get doubled at 3S, but it isn't likely. South will probably bid his hearts and then pass should convince partner that there is no future - besides, partner's cue bid said what he had, and he should leave further action up to you anyway. WinstonM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Pass. This is a matter of style. My openings in 1st and 3rd seat do not differ very strongly,but this is not a popular style. I think the raise to 4S is reasonable at this colours,but then, my partners will always expect a 6 crad suit,i.e. I would expect a raise to 4S. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 2S is the normal bid on this hand in most of my partnerships.I might open 1S sometimes depending on oppo.I wouldn't pass unless I was desperately trying to swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 1NT: never ever ever.Pass: Normal1♠ / 2♠: If you need to. Disagree with 4♠ bid at the table. Partner is 3rd seat favorable, don't punish him. 3♠ is enough. If they still bid game, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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