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  1. 1. what's your bid?

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3rd seat favourable I don't think that I want to be predictable.

 

So, I'll vary what I bid. Sometimes I'll pass. Sometimes bid 1 (which looks probably more helpful than 2), sometimes 2. 1NT is less appealing playing a strong no-trump than a weak one, where the bid is partially protected, but ...

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2 shovels (spades) in a heartbeat.

 

1) i have interior sequence with Ace/ I want or can stand the lead.

2) pressure bidding on lho

3) without good fit and distro, pard better have a good reason for taking further action

4) am of the old KS school that advocates keeping 3rd seat openers relatively up to strength in order to not distort the rest of the system and create the needs for compensatory conventions to guard against a light opener. If you bid 1S and P makes a negX, I'll help you purchase the shovel to did the hole you will want to crawl into.

5) if you pass, chances are good that you might never get a chance to show spade holding.

 

6) by not bidding now, partner might infer that you have length but not much strength in spades at some point during the play of the hand and defend accordingly on a negative inference.

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3rd seat favorable, anything goes.

 

CAVEAT EMPTOR (or caveat pre-emptor)

especially if matchpoints.

 

guess itz a matter of style.

pard should feel lucky that i have at least 5 spades, I have known a few people who would open 2S on 4-bagger favorable- 3rd seat.

(also 3 of a suit on xxxxx nv/ lolololol)

 

and, I would rather make this type of bid that to open a weak 2 bid on a J or Q-empty 6th suit with outside cards such as seems to be in vogue these days.

Told ye, I am a dinosaur when it comes to certain bidding principles.

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[hv=d=e&v=n&n=skq2hq74dakqt32c2&w=sajt84ht85d94cq54&e=s9753hj3dj85cakj9&s=s6hak962d76ct8763]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

E----------S----------W----------N

 

P----------P---------2--------3D

4-----P-----------X .... all pass

 

the result was e/w -500... imo it seems that pass allows n/s to find the (cold) 4 or 5 games, with whatever tools are available, tho i guess they wouldn't always do so

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Dealer: East
Vul: N/S
Scoring: IMP
KQ2
Q74
AKQT32
2
AJT84
T85
94
Q54
9753
J3
J85
AKJ9
6
AK962
76
T8763
 

 

E----------S----------W----------N

 

P----------P---------2--------3D

4-----P-----------X .... all pass

 

the result was e/w -500... imo it seems that pass allows n/s to find the (cold) 4 or 5 games, with whatever tools are available, tho i guess they wouldn't always do so

I can pass in third seat with my hand since P cannot have that hand.

4234 with 10HCP NV in first seat open ONE CLUB. We find our double fit in clubs and spades fast.

 

Much harder for opp to find 4H or 5D now.

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4234 with 10HCP NV in first seat open ONE CLUB. We find our double fit in clubs and spades fast.

 

Much harder for opp to find 4H or 5D now.

I like to open light, I REALLY do

Even with an agreement to open 10-12 HCP hands, I'm passing this one.

It looks like a 9 count to me

 

Jx and Jxx really aren't pulling their weight

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ok, i understand that.. but i don't understand why it matters... he could still raise you to 4 with 6 hcp and a 5232 hand, right?

Well seems easy to get to 4s with your example 5-5 fit hands NV?

P=P=P=1D

1s?

 

Now opener may overcall 1s as passed hand or....

p=p=p=1d

p=1h=1s?

 

Note on this 5-4 fit hand it is the double fit in clubs and spades that makes the hand only minus 500 and the opp making, yes?

If you open 2s and p has some other 4 card raise to 4s..it may or may not be disaster, yes?

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Note on this 5-4 fit hand it is the double fit in clubs and spades that makes the hand only minus 500 and the opp making, yes?

If you open 2s and p has some other 4 card raise to 4s..it may or may not be disaster, yes?

true B)

 

i wonder how it would have gone had west passed... it's possible n/s might not even reach game... to me, that's the biggest advantage to passing

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Note on this 5-4 fit hand it is the double fit in clubs and spades that makes the hand only minus 500 and the opp making, yes?

If you open 2s and p has some other 4 card raise to 4s..it may or may not be disaster, yes?

true B)

note that partner, albeit under some pressure, broke discipline by bidding 4S. The shape isn't that great. Sorry, but if one's agreements are all bets are off 3rd seat, favorable, then partner can't assume you have a 6-bagger, and decent shape is needed along with twump support. Are the opps getting to 4H if responder/advancer bids only 3S? doubt it.

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the result was e/w -500... imo it seems that pass allows n/s to find the (cold) 4♥ or 5♦ games, with whatever tools are available, tho i guess they wouldn't always do so

 

That's why I prefer 1S over 2S - it doesn't propel partner into a poor and/or phantom sacrifice. As long as partner is aware that 3rd seat can make these types of lead-directing 1-bids, he should not hang you out to dry if the auction indicates that you may not have full values. In this situation, the worst it should be would be: 1S-2D-3D. Now, you may get doubled at 3S, but it isn't likely. South will probably bid his hearts and then pass should convince partner that there is no future - besides, partner's cue bid said what he had, and he should leave further action up to you anyway.

 

WinstonM

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Pass.

 

This is a matter of style.

 

My openings in 1st and 3rd seat do not differ very strongly,

but this is not a popular style.

 

I think the raise to 4S is reasonable at this colours,

but then, my partners will always expect a 6 crad suit,

i.e. I would expect a raise to 4S.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

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2S is the normal bid on this hand in most of my partnerships.

I might open 1S sometimes depending on oppo.

I wouldn't pass unless I was desperately trying to swing.

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1NT: never ever ever.

Pass: Normal

1 / 2: If you need to.

 

Disagree with 4 bid at the table. Partner is 3rd seat favorable, don't punish him. 3 is enough. If they still bid game, so be it.

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