Preempt a preempt?

[jillybean]

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IMP. E/W Vulnerable

 

Have E/W both lost their minds?

[mikeh]

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IMP. E/W Vulnerable

 

Have E/W both lost their minds?

Hard to say

 

In a vacuum, the odds of any pair having lost their minds are probably pretty good, but it would help if you gave us an auction

[TylerE]

E hand is an auto 2♠, and it ain't a preeempt. I'd open that hand 1♠ at any vuln and form of scoring.

 

The 3N bid is just silly. No fit, no stopper, no tricks. Just bid 3♦ like a not-crazy person.

[jillybean]

Hard to say

 

In a vacuum, the odds of any pair having lost their minds are probably pretty good, but it would help if you gave us an auction

 

:) fixed, don't know what happened there.

[mikeh]

E hand is an auto 2♠, and it ain't a preeempt. I'd open that hand 1♠ at any vuln and form of scoring.

 

The 3N bid is just silly. No fit, no stopper, no tricks. Just bid 3♦ like a not-crazy person.

Are you sure you want to bid 3D? Frankly, I think the cuebid on this hand is crazier than the borderline insane 3N.

 

I do agree that east’s 2S is clear. West has a tough decision. Passing could be very wrong, but the odds that we can make game must be pretty low, and it’s not as if game is never being doubled. Much as I hate to miss vulnerable games at imps, this looks like a pass to me, with 2N a close second

 

 

Over 2N, east bids 3S and they play it there.

[jillybean]

Ah, very sorry. I have lost my mind. When I redid the auction, I used the wrong bids, if that changes anything.

 

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N/S Play "Multi", so 3♦ is their ♦ preempt.

[mikeh]

Ah, very sorry. I have lost my mind. When I redid the auction, I used the wrong bids, if that changes anything.

 

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N/S Play "Multi", so 3♦ is their ♦ preempt.

That changes everything

 

East still has to bid 3S, but now he’s uncomfortable doing so. However, the hand with short diamonds has to be allowed/expected to stretch.

 

Now west is really stuck. I think one could argue for 4S, on the basis that east will often have 6+ spades, or (my choice). 3N, expecting/hoping partner has a heart card. Passing would be exceedingly pessimistic. Why can’t east have AKJ10xx Kxx x Axx, where even on a heart lead, 3N has good chances.

 

Preempts work. 3D is truly hideous and I don’t think I’d find it even tho we play very aggressive fav vul preempts...I’d want the diamond 9🥴

[eagles123]

Fortunately you weren't doubled!

[nullve]

I do agree that east’s 2S is clear. West has a tough decision. Passing could be very wrong, but the odds that we can make game must be pretty low, and it’s not as if game is never being doubled. Much as I hate to miss vulnerable games at imps, this looks like a pass to me, with 2N a close second

That changes everything

 

East still has to bid 3S, but now he’s uncomfortable doing so. However, the hand with short diamonds has to be allowed/expected to stretch.

 

Now west is really stuck. I think one could argue for 4S, on the basis that east will often have 6+ spades, or (my choice). 3N, expecting/hoping partner has a heart card. Passing would be exceedingly pessimistic. Why can’t east have AKJ10xx Kxx x Axx, where even on a heart lead, 3N has good chances.

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3♠?

[mikeh]

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3♠?

Read the actual problem

[nullve]

Read the actual problem

?

 

I thought there had to be a reason why

 

Passing would be exceedingly pessimistic. Why can’t east have AKJ10xx Kxx x Axx, where even on a heart lead, 3N has good chances.

doesn't apply when advancing a 2♠ overcall of a Weak 2[di.

[mikeh]

?

I guess you didn’t, lol. Try again.

[nullve]

I guess you didn’t, lol. Try again.

No.

[mikeh]

No.

Editing a prior post to make it appear that you wrote something, to which I replied, that you didn’t is misleading, but if it makes you feel better, go for it.

 

But the problem remains. You criticize my post without (it seems to me) understanding it.

 

Of course partner could have a good hand to overcall 2D with 2S. I’d put AKJxxx Kxx x Axx at the extreme high end of the range: I think it’s close between double, then spades, an immediate 3S or 2S.

 

That’s why I suggested that west’s decision over 2S was very close. Were west to bid 2N, obviously east is bidding game with that hand.

 

If you think that west should bid 2N in the original post, I wouldn’t feel strongly about it...I might well do it in real life, and I said I thought it was close.

 

3S over 3D has a higher minimum and correspondingly a higher maximum, which is why I think west has a 3N call. I also think that he’d like to be able to make an invitational bid, but he can’t, for obvious reasons.

 

Of course, if you think the overcall of 2S over 2D is exactly the same as an overcall of 3S over 3D, then there’s not much to discuss, lol.

[nullve]

Editing a prior post to make it appear that you wrote something, to which I replied, that you didn’t is misleading, but if it makes you feel better, go for it.

I edited it because I wanted to clarify something . If that's bad style, then I'm sorry.

 

But the problem remains. You criticize my post without (it seems to me) understanding it.

I didn't criticise it at all. I read your two first posts as implying that you would not overcall 2♠ on AKJxxx Kxx x Axx. That's why asked if you would overcall 3♠.

 

If you think that west should bid 2N in the original post, I wouldn’t feel strongly about it...I might well do it in real life, and I said I thought it was close.

I actually think passing 2♠ with that hand is winning bridge.

 

Of course, if you think the overcall of 2S over 2D is exactly the same as an overcall of 3S over 3D, then there’s not much to discuss, lol.

I don't.

Edited April 11, 2021 by nullve

[ThomasRush]

I edited it because I wanted to clarify something . If that's bad style, then I'm sorry.

As a suggestion, if you're going to edit a post other than for corrections like grammar or spelling that don't change the meaning, make sure it's clear the old text (if any) you're removing, and exactly what is correction and/or addition.