Cyberyeti Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 MPs [hv=pc=n&s=s864hdak7cakqt642&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1h]133|200[/hv] How do you plan how to bid this hand. X ? 3♥ ? If you X, what does 2♥ show from partner ? I'll reveal more later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 MPs [hv=pc=n&s=s864hdak7cakqt642&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1h]133|200[/hv] How do you plan how to bid this hand. X ? 3♥ ? If you X, what does 2♥ show from partner ? I'll reveal more later.It’s close between double, 3H and 2C. The problems with: Double: this isn’t that great a hand for spades, especially if partner has only 4 of them. Double invites spades more than I’m comfortable with. 3H: I’d like something in spades. Make it Kxx void Axx AKQ10xxx and 3H would b3 a standout. Good opps don’t lead hearts against 3N, unless LHO doubles, and not even then if they have a decent alternative...my hand suggests that they probably do 2C: at least I rate to go plus if this ends the auction. More seriously, 2C leaves me happy about spades if partner can bid them voluntarily, and I’m not passing if, as I expect, the bidding continues (regardless of whether partner bids or not) I think that my choice would vary depending on how I’m feeling. Btw, 2C is definitely NOT a strong candidate if playing imps...we’d miss too many games, but this is MPs. If I did double, partner’s 2H is simply a forward-going noise, further definition to follow over my next bid. It’s fairly standard to play that the cuebid creates a force to the lower of a suit being bid and raised or game. Thus over my 3C, 3S by him is forcing but 4C would not be (tho I’d bid 4H over it, then 5C over 4S) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas43 Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 Anything might be right, but I'd try 3H on the grounds that it describes the main feature of my hand, then hope for the best... Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 2C for me as the clubs are not solid and spades are problematic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 Partner actually doubled, RHO passes, your bid with: [hv=pc=n&n=skqjht854dq82c753]133|100[/hv] It's interesting over 2♣ and 3♥ also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullve Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 Partner actually doubled, RHO passes, your bid with: [hv=pc=n&n=skqjht854dq82c753]133|100[/hv] It's interesting over 2♣ and 3♥ also1N 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 Partner actually doubled, RHO passes, your bid with: [hv=pc=n&n=skqjht854dq82c753]133|100[/hv] It's interesting over 2♣ and 3♥ also2H is bizarre And over 2C it’s an easy pass. Yes, I know pass would work out very badly, but I tend to avoid choosing my actions based on the lie of the cards. Over 3H, this is really interesting. I think it close between 4C and 5C....althomthere is a good chance that we would, in practice, make 3N....responder may have Hxx and they fail to prevent a blockage. 4H would, on the hand, work out superbly....it can’t be the Ace, since one would bid 4N or higher (if one had a good hand) so one can argue that it must be this sort of hand: working values for 5m and nothing in hearts. I’d not try this at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 What actually happened is I bid 1N, next hand bid 2♥, partner bid 3♣ RHO passed, back to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo1201 Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 What actually happened is I bid 1N, next hand bid 2♥, partner bid 3♣ RHO passed, back to meYou can’t persist with NTs now, so 3S (you’ve denied 4, no risk of partner raising you) to show your values and still stay below 3NT that partner can bid with help in H to consolidate the (very) fragile stopper you’ve advertised by not bidding it earlier, eg a singleton honor or better. Over that, partner gets crazy and bids 4H, but it will still take some guts to arrive at the small slam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 What actually happened is I bid 1N, next hand bid 2♥, partner bid 3♣ RHO passed, back to me This is kind of interesting. I think the initial 1NT is fine - although toward the bottom range of that bid in my methods - but the subsequent auction has made the values actually held much more important. I think 4C now must be forcing - and I think I would prefer that to establish the fit. 3S as an advance cue bid could confuse the situation but I sympathize with wanting to make that bid with an implied meaning of clubs as trumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 I did bid 3♠ now what do you think partner should do ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 My concern with 3s is whether partner is suggesting a 4-3 optional game with KJx, Axx, Jxxxx, xx so I don’t know what else to do but bid 4C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 My concern with 3s is whether partner is suggesting a 4-3 optional game with KJx, Axx, Jxxxx, xx so I don’t know what else to do but bid 4C Well if you think partner has that, you bid 3N like a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 If I was playing with a trustworthy expert, I’d bid 4H over 3C. Partner did not bid 3N over 2H, which he would do with, say, xx in hearts. He also did not overcall 2C nor did he double 2H. So he has a good hand with long clubs but doesn’t want to commit to 3N. 4H is what is known as a bluhmer bid: it shows length in the bid suit but zero values there and all one’s values outside the suit. Axx x AJx AKQxxx needs some luck to make 6C, but he won’t bid slam with that hand. With his actual hand, it’s borderline since he has a spade issue, but I think it’s worth trying. If not, then 5C seems reasonable as advancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 Well if you think partner has that, you bid 3N like a shot. Question is from responder's seat, what does doubler hold? AQ10x, x AQx AQJxx? 4S is superior to 3NT. My point being that 3S is not so easily described as a concentration of values in support of clubs - that the first requirement of the partnership is to probe for the best game contract, and 4S certainly has that potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 Question is from responder's seat, what does doubler hold? AQ10x, x AQx AQJxx? 4S is superior to 3NT. My point being that 3S is not so easily described as a concentration of values in support of clubs - that the first requirement of the partnership is to probe for the best game contract, and 4S certainly has that potential.I can’t imagine bidding 3C with that hand. 1N was constructive and even opposite wastage in hearts, AQ10x void AQx AQJxx is a gf hand. I’d bid 3H. Double should be takeout but I wouldn’t risk it...partner might convert, expecting me to have a heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 What actually happened was pure comedy gold. The full auction was: [hv=d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1hdp1n2h3cp3sp3nppp]133|100[/hv] Opening leader had ♠A10xx and ♥AKQxx Plays out ♥AKQ and his partner believing he had to have 6 hearts for the 2♥ bid unblocked the J on the 3rd round, a 4th heart was played and 10 tricks instantly claimed. The traveller showed that 3N+1 scored exactly the same as 6♣ would have done, the only pair that bid the slam were doubled in it. Played 19 times, the common results were +170x9, +620x6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBengtsson Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 What actually happened was pure comedy gold. The full auction was: [hv=d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1hdp1n2h3cp3sp3nppp]133|100[/hv] Opening leader had ♠A10xx and ♥AKQxx Plays out ♥AKQ and his partner believing he had to have 6 hearts for the 2♥ bid unblocked the J on the 3rd round, a 4th heart was played and 10 tricks instantly claimed. The traveller showed that 3N+1 scored exactly the same as 6♣ would have done, the only pair that bid the slam were doubled in it. Played 19 times, the common results were +170x9, +620x6 lol. east 2♥ bid is non advisable especially at mps vul. if ops have game then possible you go for -800/1100. if ops do not have game then -200/500. not great score at mps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenikki Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 MPs [hv=pc=n&s=s864hdak7cakqt642&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1h]133|200[/hv] How do you plan how to bid this hand. X ? 3♥ ? If you X, what does 2♥ show from partner ? I'll reveal more later. Strain not to make a simple overcall with a void in opener's suit. Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenikki Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 Partner actually doubled, RHO passes, your bid with: [hv=pc=n&n=skqjht854dq82c753]133|100[/hv] It's interesting over 2♣ and 3♥ also 1♠. 1NT would be an overbid. Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenikki Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 What actually happened is I bid 1N, next hand bid 2♥, partner bid 3♣ RHO passed, back to me That's why 1NT was an overbid. But having bid it, it would be bizarre not to show your ♠ stops here. Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenikki Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 You can’t persist with NTs now, so 3S (you’ve denied 4, no risk of partner raising you) to show your values and still stay below 3NT that partner can bid with help in H to consolidate the (very) fragile stopper you’ve advertised by not bidding it earlier, eg a singleton honor or better. Over that, partner gets crazy and bids 4H, but it will still take some guts to arrive at the small slam. 1NT dod not promise a ♥ stopper. Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 That's why 1NT was an overbid. But having bid it, it would be bizarre not to show your ♠ stops here. Carl I think I disagree with pretty much everything you posted except the 3♠ in this post. 1N is 8-10 with a heart stop for us, it seems the least worst bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 I can’t imagine bidding 3C with that hand. 1N was constructive and even opposite wastage in hearts, AQ10x void AQx AQJxx is a gf hand. I’d bid 3H. Double should be takeout but I wouldn’t risk it...partner might convert, expecting me to have a heart.Yes. I forgot that rho bid 2h so a second double was available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsLawsd Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 How good is your game? How solid your opponents? I am torn between Double and 5♣as that gets the message across.As responder to the double 1♠seems right as my suit is good. What could go wrong? The usual like playing 4. But on this hand you get to field 3♣ most likely don't you? Still 2♣ could be as strong as 17 HCP and partner might have a natural bid or a good heart stop... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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