robot unable to stop bidding - outlandish bidding

[goffster]

https://tinyurl.com/yh4krbkh

 

BTW *I* am the hand with clubs, not robot.

 

After 2S, the bidding should be 100% over? What in the world is 3H ?

If robot truly had an invitation hand, then should use NMF.

[smerriman]

Well, you said it yourself; the robot is not suggesting game. 2H = non invitational hand with 54 in the majors. 3H = non invitational with 55 in the majors, as you could have 2 spades and 3 hearts. Your options are to pass or correct; 3nt doesn't exist to the robot which is where things really went off the rails.

 

(OK, the description of 6+♥ and 5-♠ makes no sense.)

[pilowsky]

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You open 1♣,

The robot has two 5 card majors and ~12+ total points.

First, it bids 1♠ and you reply 1NT.

I suspect that the program 'infers' from the 1NT bid that you have a balanced hand with 12-14HCP meaning that you must have 3-card support for one of the majors.

Things go badly downhill from here because the robot is certain that you have an 8-card major fit.

I think that in order to show a 2236 shape and 12-14 the robot expects a bid of 2♣.

The hand can make 4♣, 3 of a major and 3NT. (https://dds.bridgewe...f5.75207785.pbn)

If you bid 3NT after 1♠ I suspect that the robot will stop because it will think you have a long minor and points. (Not sure about this.)

 

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[LBengtsson]

I do not play with the robots, but I do not like 1NT rebid. opening 1Nt 15-17 with good 6 card minor is fine, but opening 1Nt with 12-14 with 6 good card minor I have seen never though best to get comment from player who plays acol, K-S. maybe it is ok with 12-14 but NOT as a rebid, only as an opening bid? I rebid 2♣ here. though I also agree that the robot bidding is crazy as you say.

[johnu]

Well, you said it yourself; the robot is not suggesting game. 2H = non invitational hand with 54 in the majors. 3H = non invitational with 55 in the majors, as you could have 2 spades and 3 hearts. Your options are to pass or correct; 3nt doesn't exist to the robot which is where things really went off the rails.

 

(OK, the description of 6+♥ and 5-♠ makes no sense.)

The description of 2♥ includes "6-11 total points". 11 total points is in the invitational range for me. 6 total points is not invitational. 11 total points seems much too high.

[smerriman]

The description of 2♥ includes "6-11 total points". 11 total points is in the invitational range for me. 6 total points is not invitational. 11 total points seems much too high.

Sure; you well know that the descriptions and how GIB bids aren't often related though. GIB will never be bidding 2♥ with 11 points, regardless of what it says.

[johnu]

Sure; you well know that the descriptions and how GIB bids aren't often related though. GIB will never be bidding 2♥ with 11 points, regardless of what it says.

Without getting into what a singleton king is worth, and GIB likes to value them at full value, the actual hand is 9 HCP and 55 in the majors with a singleton and doubleton. So by GIB standards, such as they are, this hand says it's not a stretch to 11 total points by any means.

[smerriman]

So by GIB standards, such as they are, this hand says it's not a stretch to 11 total points by any means.

I'm confused - you seem to be arguing against your own point here. If you want to reduce the upper limit on 2♥, and think it's evaluating this hand as 11 points, are you saying you want it to invite here?

 

Again, the fact the description includes 11 total points doesn't mean it will bid 2♥ with all 11 point hands (or vice versa)

[johnu]

I'm confused - you seem to be arguing against your own point here. If you want to reduce the upper limit on 2♥, and think it's evaluating this hand as 11 points, are you saying you want it to invite here?

 

Again, the fact the description includes 11 total points doesn't mean it will bid 2♥ with all 11 point hands (or vice versa)

You are the one who said that GIB wouldn't be bidding 2♥ with 11 points. How is an average player supposed to know what GIB has for 2♥? I'm not saying that this hand is worth close to 11 points by my standards, but even by GIB standards it is closer to 11 points rather than 6 points.

[smerriman]

You are the one who said that GIB wouldn't be bidding 2♥ with 11 points. How is an average player supposed to know what GIB has for 2♥? I'm not saying that this hand is worth close to 11 points by my standards, but even by GIB standards it is closer to 11 points rather than 6 points.

The average person never can or will have a clue what GIB means by its bids.

 

I thought you were meaning they should change the description of 2♥ to ensure GIB never bids 2♥ with 11 points, but I see you weren't.