smalt Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 My right hand opponent opened 1 Diamond with this hand.Playing canapé, would you open this hand 1D with this 6/4 distribution S/D? ♠AQJ986♥5♦AQ102♣A6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullve Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 If playing Roman Club: Yes If playing Blue Club: No 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 Is this a ruling question or a bidding question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 If playing Turin Club: Yes (then 2♠) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 Canape is an approach, not a bidding system The choice of bid with this hand depends on your system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 If playing Roman Club: Yes If playing Blue Club: NoWouldn't you open 1♣ in both systems? Canape systems usually have limited openings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullve Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 Wouldn't you open 1♣ in both systems? Canape systems usually have limited openings.The 1♦,1♥ and 1♠ openings in Roman Club have the same wide range as in 2/1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 The 1♦,1♥ and 1♠ openings in Roman Club have the same wide range as in 2/1.Is there anybody who still (or ever played) plays Roman Club in the last 50 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullve Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 Is there anybody who still (or ever played) plays Roman Club in the last 50 years?In Norway: 2-3 players. I believe they still play it when partnering each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spotlight7 Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 Is there anybody who still (or ever played) plays Roman Club in the last 50 years? I played a lot of Roman Club at the Congressional Secretaries Bridge club in the late 70s or early 80s. I also played Roman Club as a change of pace(once in a while} over the last 50 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali quarg Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 As a side question for the experts: Are there any 1♣ systems that open 1♣ with 15-17hcp or long ♣s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 As a side question for the experts: Are there any 1♣ systems that open 1♣ with 15-17hcp or long ♣sIf you play coded minors (or Mexican 2♦) in an otherwise standard short-club system with a 12-14 1nt, then 1♣ is natural or 15-17 balanced. But a system in which 1♣ includes 15-17 any shape (not necessarily balanced) sounds odd. It makes little sense to show point counts that accurately without showing shape at the same time. There was a crazy teacher in Amstelveen who managed to get many of the pairs in his club to play1♣=16-19 any1♦=20+ anyI think you could improve on this by putting hands with long clubs into the 1♣ opening, but it remains a very bad system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali quarg Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 If you play coded minors (or Mexican 2♦) in an otherwise standard short-club system with a 12-14 1nt, then 1♣ is natural or 15-17 balanced. But a system in which 1♣ includes 15-17 any shape (not necessarily balanced) sounds odd. It makes little sense to show point counts that accurately without showing shape at the same time. There was a crazy teacher in Amstelveen who managed to get many of the pairs in his club to play1♣=16-19 any1♦=20+ anyI think you could improve on this by putting hands with long clubs into the 1♣ opening, but it remains a very bad system.Thanks for the reply I've just started looking at strong 1♣ systems and am considering the varieties. I'm OK with the way my system is evolving and caters for Strong hands well, but I find that it is those 15-17 2-suited hands that can sometimes be hard to pin down especially when the longer one is a minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullve Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 But a system in which 1♣ includes 15-17 any shape (not necessarily balanced) sounds odd. It makes little sense to show point counts that accurately without showing shape at the same time.How about 1♣ = Moscito (15+) but not 18+ unless primary C 1♦ = NAT unBAL (11-14, 4D5C possible) but not 15-17 OR 18-20 BAL1M = Chapi 8* (standard but not 15-17)1N = 12-14 BAL (4414 possible)2♣ = Precision but 11-142♦ = 23+ BAL or any GF w/o primary C2M = Weak2N = 21-22 BAL or 1♣ = Moscito (15+) but not 18+ unless primary C 1♦ = NAT unBAL (11-14, 4D5C not possible) OR 18-20 BAL1M = Chapi 8* (standard but not 15-17)1N = 12-14 BAL (4414 possible)2♣ = Fantunes but 11-142♦ = 23+ BAL or any GF w/o primary C2M = Weak2N = 21-22 BAL ? * benlessard's Chapi 8 system: https://bridge.downagain.be/FD/main.php?vul=9&dealer=9&system=s2ftdw1w63o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 Bruce Watson has just published Strong Club, Unbalanced Diamond, based on Marshall Miles' 2007 My System: The Unbalanced Diamond. Personally, I'm sticking to Santa Fe Precision or Standard Modern Precision, or perhaps an amalgamation of both, but you may find something useful in Watson's book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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