Fluffy Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 I presented this problem to my partner last week, he was opting for first option while I was opting for last, we at least agreed we needed to talk about it :). [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sk4hq7dh102caj10652]133|100| E - N2♠-??[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 QTx, KTx a close second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 JTx is OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 QTx, KTx a close second. ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 JTx is OK. Ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 KTx at least.. i think at the 3 level the overcall should more closely resemble an opening bid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 QTx at least (NV) Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Queen at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Im surprise to see so many good players answering this question.Imo there is no simple answer, it depends on the rest of your hand, and also on the vul.what is your bid withxxAKAKQXXXXXX I would bid 3C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 I think the idea is that given the hand you've got there, what value of H do you need to bid 3C as opposed to pass. It isn't the quality of your suit that he's asking about. So if your hand is KxQxJTxAJTxxx would you overcall? If not, change the J of diamonds to the Q, would you overcall now? Or the K? or A? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 My bid with that would be: How is your aunt in Chicago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 She died last Thursday..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Got it now, i knew something wrong. I would go with the K/Q but not the J.Im not sure its wrong to bid it with even less, its a matter of style and either style will work sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 What does the partnership say partner needs to bid 3NT in response to your 3 clubs. The answer to what you need in diamonds should be somewhere in the answer to my question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 In this situation, the question I believe to answer is: what game am I trying to get to with a 3 club bid? Seems obvious that 3N is the spot I'm tying to find unless partner has a strong holding, unbalanced, with a club fit. But "normally", we're trying to find our way to 9 tricks. If this is true, what is the minimum hand partner needs to be looking at to feel as if we might have some play for 9 tricks? xxx, Axxx, xxx, KQx or xxx, Kxxx, QJx, Kxx or maybe even xxx, Jxxx, KQx, KQx. If this is a "reasonable" assumption of pard's minimum hands to expect a chance for game, and most of the time when I bid 3 clubs I show up with Kx, Qx, J10x, AJ10xxx, he will learn quickly that he needs to hold much better cards to move over 3C. Now we have a problem. How do I separate Kx, xxx, AQx, AJ10xxx from Kx, xxx, Kxx, AJ10xxx? And how does partner ever know? The less hand I have the more partner needs for us to make a game; the more he has the more inclined to reopen he will be. For me, A10x is about the worst holding I would add to this hand to make it worth a 3 club bid; with that holding at least I have some (although slight) chance of making 3N against pard's worst holding of xxx, Kxx, QJxx, Kxx. Of course, the disadvantage of this "style" is that pard has much more pressure to balance; you pays your money.... WinstonM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 I agree with you winstonm. That was my point.If we're looking for P to bid 3NT with Hxx in clubs and some outside cards or a key spade card, then we need quick tricks, not slower tricks to play 3NT safely. Bon chance in 3NT if p has xx, Axxx, Qxx, KQx and bids 3S in resp to 3C.With KTx of diamonds, y'all only have 8 tricks with spade lead. You lose the race. With A of diamonds you win, you have 9 tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 A10x is certainly enough in my opinion, J10x is too little. I think that this is a great question to talk about with your regular partner. I think that you miss the boat if your only consideration for bidding is making games. This could easily be a partscore swing, you have excellent clubs an only 2 spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 QTx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 I think that you miss the boat if your only consideration for bidding is making games. The only consideration is to help partner make a reasonable decision; and if I pass with a weaker hand, pard is not barred from reopening. It is true that occassionally you can miss a partscore. But if you partner doesn't have a clue as to what he shoudd bid over your 3 clubs, you have lost much more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 I think that you miss the boat if your only consideration for bidding is making games. The only consideration is to help partner make a reasonable decision; and if I pass with a weaker hand, pard is not barred from reopening. It is true that occassionally you can miss a partscore. But if you partner doesn't have a clue as to what he shoudd bid over your 3 clubs, you have lost much more. That's a big 10-4 !!!agree with youto say nothing of the fact that the sample hand was a 7-loser hand: 3-level overcall? my boat is to try to have a sound foundation for shared partnership decision-making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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