cherdano Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 [hv=d=w&v=b&s=sqj96h86dakt9c532]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♣-1♥-1♠-P2♠-P-4♠-AP[/hv]So with this 10 count, you watch your gold star opponents bid to 4♠ while your partner overcalled 1♥. Do you double? (As an aside, what do you lead?) Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Yes I doubleLead small S. BTW WHY DID I NOT BID 1NT OVER 1S AND LET PARTNER HAVE A DECISION IN THIS? 1) My p has overcalled vul. We agreed this would not be a silly bid and I only have two hearts.2) Not worried about giving away trump position. I am leading small trump.3) At my low level I cannot let them intimidate me or lose partner's respect.4) Whether they make it or not I can learn something from this hand.5) THE FIELD WILL LEAD A OF D TO LOOK AT DUMMY BLAH BLAH BLAH BUT LOSE A TEMPO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 DBL and lead DA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 i double and lead the ♦A, maybe then the K, depending... if dummy has 3 or, even better, 4 hearts i'll probably lead a heart.. i'd like to let partner force declarer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 I wouldn't dream of doubling. Pard has placed our vulnerable lives on the line to made a "lead-directing" overcall on x, KQJ9x, xxxx, xxx as I believe he should. He has no idea how the auction will progress, but he does know one thing for sure: he wants me to lead a heart. Doubling here to me is a "punishment" of partner for trying his best to help out the partnership to help direct a lead. Not only that, but it blows up the spade suit and helps declarer play the hand. By passing quietly in tempo I expect to go +100. Doubling easily risks a -790 when +200 is more than likely our maximum. I lead a heart. We might build 1 heart trick. I don't expect 2. And I don't like a diamond lead from AK10x as declarer may hold QJx. But then, I'm an underbidder, WinstonM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 I wouldn't dream of doubling. Pard has placed our vulnerable lives on the line to made a "lead-directing" overcall on x, KQJ9x, xxxx, xxx as I believe he should. He has no idea how the auction will progress, but he does know one thing for sure: he wants me to lead a heart. Doubling here to me is a "punishment" of partner for trying his best to help out the partnership to help direct a lead. Not only that, but it blows up the spade suit and helps declarer play the hand. By passing quietly in tempo I expect to go +100. Doubling easily risks a -790 when +200 is more than likely our maximum. I lead a heart. We might build 1 heart trick. I don't expect 2. And I don't like a diamond lead from AK10x as declarer may hold QJx. But then, I'm an underbidder, WinstonM AHHHH shucks WinstonM and I agreed with so much of your bidding and reasoning up to the point you overcalled 1H on this hand :) What happen to Al Roth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 AHHHH shucks WinstonM and I agreed with so much of your bidding and reasoning up to the point you overcalled 1H on this hand What happen to Al Roth? Al's my partner, and 'Believe it or Don't', he is a firm believer in "lead directing" overcalls, so AL-Pard would bid 1H. But to make it easier on you, I'll change his hand slightly: void, KQJ9x, QJxx, xxxx. Oh, boy, now we can hold them to a measly -790 after the double, taking 1H, 1D, and :) only 1 spade because of my big mouth. After all, the opponents aren't idiots. Bet one of them holds a red suit singleton. Al-pard is NOT going to like this. Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civill Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Pass,then lead ♥8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Wish we could have bid 1nt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Double. Where are their tricks? AK of spades and a few clubs at most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Pass, no need to dbl for -1 in imps (and giving away the trump position so they might actually make)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 I am tempted, but I don't. I would have bid 1NT too, we could still have game. I give away a tempo by leading the diamond ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 No way would I x. That would be like advertising that trumps are breaking badly and asking declarer to play it double dummy. Often you will beat it 2 and if you X just beat it one for no swing. But sometimes you'll beat it 1 and they'll make because you Xed. The opps powered into game so there is likely some distribution. One of my diamonds may not cash, that would really be a disaster. I don't think +500 is sufficiently likely to warrant a X. If they had had an invitational auction I would though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Depends on who's partner, a vulnerable overcall should offer 1.5 dedfensive tricks or so, that is enough to put the contract at least 1 off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmacfar Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 I would double....as they say, if you are always successful when you double, you're not doubling enough..... Lead A or K ♦ (to show partner I have the other). Upon seeing dummy, possibly collect second diamond winner before switch to partners suit. Which spade honor's dummy has will determine how I play the trump suit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 So with this 10 count, you watch your gold star opponents bid to 4♠ O.K. Seriously, now. If the 4-spade bidder were Fred Gitelman or Zia, would you really double? How do you like your chances, now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 So with this 10 count, you watch your gold star opponents bid to 4♠ O.K. Seriously, now. If the 4-spade bidder were Fred Gitelman or Zia, would you really double? How do you like your chances, now? So you mean they NEVER over-bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Xing expert opps with a trump stack is usually a bad idea as they will play it double dummy. Against weak opps, they will get rattled and play it even worse so its a good idea lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Xing expert opps with a trump stack is usually a bad idea as they will play it double dummy. Against weak opps, they will get rattled and play it even worse so its a good idea lol. That's true, but even double dummy, when they have 5 top losers they will lose them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 haha, good point. Although I must admit you expect more from pards 1H bid than I do :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Declarer could even be Garozzo, for all I care. He's going DOWN. Experts deserve some credit for their bidding, but very often they bid games on a wing and a prayer. In this case the prayer failed to reach its destination and we should capitalize on that. They'll have a lot more respect for you if you double (even if it makes, which probably won't). Otherwise they'll keep jerking you off because they know you're too much of a wimp to double :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmacfar Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 This reminds me of a hand I had in a casual team game a few years ago, holding AKQ♥s and opponents bid 4♥. I doubled, figuring my partner for one trick in the side suites. LHO redoubled. Declarer made the contract, losing only the trump honors. Only difference in hand was my teammates failed to redouble. S*** Happens!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 [hv=d=w&v=b&s=sqj96h86dakt9c532]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♣-1♥-1♠-P2♠-P-4♠-AP[/hv]So with this 10 count, you watch your gold star opponents bid to 4♠ while your partner overcalled 1♥. Do you double? (As an aside, what do you lead?) ArendNO I don't double --- the opps have freely bid a game (so why give away the trump position ?) and I lead my Partner's suit :rolleyes: namely 8♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSilver Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 I agree with whereagles that you shouldn't allow strong opponents to intimidate you. Once in the first round of an NABC open pairs, my partner and I (flight C at the time) sat down against Meyers-Montin. On both deals, we collected 300 doubling part scores. I'd double 4S. I expect 3 or 4 tricks from my hand and 1 or 2 from partner's, but then I'm a believer in sound overcalls. Call me an optimist. Yes, they freely bid game, but they didn't know they were running into a trump stack. Sure, once in a while, they'll make it, but I'd expect it to go down 2 often enough to make up for those times. I'd lead a top diamond, with the ♥8 as a second choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 This makes me think about a hand I've seen somewhere: [hv=d=n&v=n&n=sj873hak6da982caq&w=skqthj97dkj73cjt5&e=shqt8532dt54c9643&s=sa96542h4dq6ck872]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Bidding went: 1♣ - pass - 1♠ - pass2NT - pass - 3♦* - pass3♠ - pass - 4♣* - pass4♦* - pass - 4♥ - pass5♣* - pass - 6♠ - DBLAll pass West lead ♣J. It's obvious what he doubled with: KQT of ♠s and probably ♦K... So declarer takes ♣A, cashes ♥AK (discarding a ♦), ruffs a ♥. Next is ♦ to the Ace, ruff ♦, ♣ to the Q and ruff another ♦. This is the holding: [hv=d=n&v=n&n=sj873hak6da982caq&w=skqthj97dkj73cjt5&e=shqt8532dt54c9643&s=sa96542h4dq6ck872]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] South plays ♣8, ruffed in dummy, ruffs the last ♦, and plays his ♣K. West only had his ♠s left but could only make 1 trick with them... Discussion afterwards:North: wdp, lucky you got doubled, otherwise I don't see you play it that wayEast: omg, why do you double? If you shut up we write +100West: but East, I thought I had 2 tricksEast: you had 2 tricks, until you doubled :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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