microcap Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 You hold: [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sq4h97da109cak8642]133|100|Scoring: BAM[/hv] You open 1♣, now annoying LHO bids 3♥. Partner bids 3♠. If RHO passes, what is your bid now? If RHO bids 4♥, what is your bid now? Thanks to all for responding to TFMORAJ LOL :blink: :lol: :P :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 mm? 4♠ of course, what else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 If RHO bids 4H, I pass (forcing) If RHO passes, I bid 4C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 ditto, agree with mr1303 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 If RHO passes: 4♠.If RHO bids 4♥: Pass. I think I recognize the problem. Partner stretched with 3♠ on a sub-minimum and Axxxx. Her problem. I will not play mixed again ... at least not until June 19 in Tenerife. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microcap Posted June 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 Roland---Rex and Jay is a politically mixed partnership, but both male! LOL :blink: :lol: :P Your analysis is right on however 8)) :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 4S. If rho bid 4H then pass Just because 2 bids did not work well when combined with each other does not mean that those bids were not both the percentage actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 4S. If rho bid 4H then pass Just because 2 bids did not work well when combined with each other does not mean that those bids were not both the percentage actions. agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 yep, seems straightforward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 4♠ when he passes, Pass when he bids... This is just logic imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 Pass with a doubleton honnor support and 3 top tricks? no way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civill Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 4♠ when he passes, Pass when he bids... This is just logic imo. Is the logic LOTT?What are the other hands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Pass with a doubleton honnor support and 3 top tricks? no way. It is a forcing pass, you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Pass with a doubleton honnor support and 3 top tricks? no way. It is a forcing pass, you know Forcing pass !?!? Not for me, sry ! Partner can strech and it's absolutely not clear why this pass should be forcing. Am I wrong here ??? :) Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 3S establishes a game force, whether he can stretch or not is irrelevant. If you are in a GF and they bid 4H it cannot go all pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Frocing or not I am gonna support with support, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 [it is a forcing pass, you know Forcing pass !?!? Not for me, sry ! Partner can strech and it's absolutely not clear why this pass should be forcing. Am I wrong here ??? :P Alain No you are not. Pass is not even remotely forcing. For once I strongly disagree with Justin. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Say you're playing 2/1 and the auction proceeds like this 1H P 2C (4S) is pass now forcing? I would say yes, because you're in a game forcing situation and your side hasn't pre-empted or limited their hand. why is this any different when the auction goes: 1C (3H) 3S (not playing NFBs, so GF, since 4 of a minor is forcing) (4H) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 If I am in a GF auction, a pass is forcing to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 I'd bid 4♣ with this hand. After all, my 1♣ opening is frequently a weak notrump, and partner needs to know that I have real clubs here. We could have a slam in clubs, or clubs may play better than spades. We may also have a spade slam, in which case knowing about my club strength (and that I have only two spades) will be the key to partner making the right evaluation. The auction shouldn't die in 4♣; most likely partner will make some call like 4♦ or 4♥ over which I can try 4♠. I agree that 4♠ is the most likely contract to be correct, but I think we have the opportunity to give partner more information with which to judge, without bypassing the 4♠ spot. For example, partner might hold: KJTxxAxKQxxxx I like our chances in 6♣, but we're not likely to get there after a 4♠ call by me. The hand from the previous thread is another similar example. If RHO raises to 4♥, passing seems safe. Partner can bid 4♠ (I will pass), 5♣ (in which case clubs is almost surely better than spades), or double (which I can pull to 4♠). This seems to clarify the situation more than a voluntary 4♠ bid would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 this is like another thread where i asked whether everyone agreed 3♠ (in that post) was game forcing... if it is, pass has to be forcing... i personally don't think it is a game forcing bid, which is one reason i prefer nfb why can't partner have a 6 spade 10 count and just be competing? whether or not that's enough for game isn't the issue, to me... the forcing (or not) nature of the bid is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microcap Posted June 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 The Unhappy End of the Story Partner has [hv=s=sa8xxxhxdq109cqjxx]133|100|[/hv] 4 spades is a disaster, whereas 5 clubs goes down one. Opps did well to push with the preempt. Should partner bid 3♠, double, or pass with this hand? See Part 1 a few threads back. I felt that Rex had no business bidding 4♠ over the 4♥ raise. He thought my 3♠ bid was not best. Thanks as always to the expert opinions here... :( :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 The Unhappy End of the Story Partner has [hv=s=sa8xxxhxdq109cqjxx]133|100|[/hv] 4 spades is a disaster, whereas 5 clubs goes down one. Opps did well to push with the preempt. Should partner bid 3♠, double, or pass with this hand? See Part 1 a few threads back. I felt that Rex had no business bidding 4♠ over the 4♥ raise. He thought my 3♠ bid was not best. Thanks as always to the expert opinions here... B) :) Why bid 4s over 4h here, what was your partner's logic or was it just a guess bid of 4s?Simple Law math says:18 trump=+300 compared to +420 or +500 compared to minus 50.17 trump=+500 So pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanbari Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 The Unhappy End of the Story Partner has [hv=s=sa8xxxhxdq109cqjxx]133|100|[/hv] 4 spades is a disaster, whereas 5 clubs goes down one. Opps did well to push with the preempt. Should partner bid 3♠, double, or pass with this hand? See Part 1 a few threads back. I felt that Rex had no business bidding 4♠ over the 4♥ raise. He thought my 3♠ bid was not best. Thanks as always to the expert opinions here... :rolleyes: :) i won't overcall 3s here, i rather X or pass. if i missed some partscore, so let it be, we have to give some credit to opps' preempty. shan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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