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Part 2 of the Further Misadventures of Rex and Jay


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You hold: [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sq4h97da109cak8642]133|100|Scoring: BAM[/hv] You open 1, now annoying LHO bids 3. Partner bids 3.

 

If RHO passes, what is your bid now?

 

If RHO bids 4, what is your bid now?

 

Thanks to all for responding to TFMORAJ LOL :blink: :lol: :P :rolleyes:

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ditto, agree with mr1303
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If RHO passes: 4.

If RHO bids 4: Pass.

 

I think I recognize the problem. Partner stretched with 3 on a sub-minimum and Axxxx. Her problem. I will not play mixed again ... at least not until June 19 in Tenerife.

 

Roland

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4S. If rho bid 4H then pass

 

Just because 2 bids did not work well when combined with each other does not mean that those bids were not both the percentage actions.

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[it is a forcing pass, you know

Forcing pass !?!?

 

Not for me, sry ! Partner can strech and it's absolutely not clear why this pass should be forcing. Am I wrong here ???  :P

 

Alain

No you are not. Pass is not even remotely forcing. For once I strongly disagree with Justin.

 

Roland

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Say you're playing 2/1 and the auction proceeds like this

 

1H P 2C (4S)

 

is pass now forcing? I would say yes, because you're in a game forcing situation and your side hasn't pre-empted or limited their hand.

 

why is this any different when the auction goes:

 

1C (3H) 3S (not playing NFBs, so GF, since 4 of a minor is forcing) (4H)

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I'd bid 4 with this hand. After all, my 1 opening is frequently a weak notrump, and partner needs to know that I have real clubs here. We could have a slam in clubs, or clubs may play better than spades. We may also have a spade slam, in which case knowing about my club strength (and that I have only two spades) will be the key to partner making the right evaluation. The auction shouldn't die in 4; most likely partner will make some call like 4 or 4 over which I can try 4. I agree that 4 is the most likely contract to be correct, but I think we have the opportunity to give partner more information with which to judge, without bypassing the 4 spot.

 

For example, partner might hold:

 

KJTxx

Ax

KQ

xxxx

 

I like our chances in 6, but we're not likely to get there after a 4 call by me. The hand from the previous thread is another similar example.

 

If RHO raises to 4, passing seems safe. Partner can bid 4 (I will pass), 5 (in which case clubs is almost surely better than spades), or double (which I can pull to 4). This seems to clarify the situation more than a voluntary 4 bid would.

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this is like another thread where i asked whether everyone agreed 3 (in that post) was game forcing... if it is, pass has to be forcing... i personally don't think it is a game forcing bid, which is one reason i prefer nfb

 

why can't partner have a 6 spade 10 count and just be competing? whether or not that's enough for game isn't the issue, to me... the forcing (or not) nature of the bid is

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The Unhappy End of the Story

 

Partner has [hv=s=sa8xxxhxdq109cqjxx]133|100|[/hv] 4 spades is a disaster, whereas 5 clubs goes down one. Opps did well to push with the preempt.

 

Should partner bid 3, double, or pass with this hand? See Part 1 a few threads back.

 

I felt that Rex had no business bidding 4 over the 4 raise. He thought my 3 bid was not best. Thanks as always to the expert opinions here... :( :D

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The Unhappy End of the Story

 

Partner has [hv=s=sa8xxxhxdq109cqjxx]133|100|[/hv] 4 spades is a disaster, whereas 5 clubs goes down one. Opps did well to push with the preempt.

 

Should partner bid 3, double, or pass with this hand? See Part 1 a few threads back.

 

I felt that Rex had no business bidding 4 over the 4 raise. He thought my 3 bid was not best. Thanks as always to the expert opinions here... B) :)

Why bid 4s over 4h here, what was your partner's logic or was it just a guess bid of 4s?

Simple Law math says:

18 trump=+300 compared to +420 or +500 compared to minus 50.

17 trump=+500

 

So pass

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The Unhappy End of the Story

 

Partner has [hv=s=sa8xxxhxdq109cqjxx]133|100|[/hv] 4 spades is a disaster, whereas 5 clubs goes down one. Opps did well to push with the preempt.

 

Should partner bid 3, double, or pass with this hand? See Part 1 a few threads back.

 

I felt that Rex had no business bidding 4 over the 4 raise. He thought my 3 bid was not best. Thanks as always to the expert opinions here... :rolleyes: :)

i won't overcall 3s here, i rather X or pass.

 

if i missed some partscore, so let it be, we have to give some credit to opps' preempty.

 

shan

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