MickyB Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=sa5haq75dkcakt875]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♣-(P)-1♥-(1♠). What now?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=sa5haq75dkcakt875]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♣-(P)-1♥-(1♠). What now?[/hv] 2S I really like my hand. Second choice is 4H (18-20) deny splinter but I think I am too strong for this with those 6 clubs. Of course if p can respond 1H on:XXXXXXXXXXXXXVOID LET'S NOT GO CRAZY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 There is a treatment (From Roth-Stone I believe) where after a major suit response by partner a jump rebid by opener to 4 of his minor shows a 46 pattern with good clubs and weakish trumps, although if this were treated as always forcing back to the major one could use it on these types of hands as well. Over the pretty automatic 4H bid, you could then continue with 4S, saying, I was only kidding about being weak, and you have shown your pattern, your strength, and your spade control while not denying a diamond control as well. Just a thought. :) WinstonM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted June 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Ok, 2♠ was my choice at the table. If pard rebids 3♥, what is your bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted June 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 My partner and I hadn't discussed a 4♣ bid there. My guess is that it would show a solid club suit and support, without saying anything in particular about trump strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriorKnowledge Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 4C1m 1M 4m = Good 6 (2 of top 3)-4, game force. This is exactly what I have. Partner can bid slam with as little as xxx KJxx xxx Qxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 1♣-(P)-1♥-(1♠)2♠-(P)-3♥-(P)3♠ If partner persist with 4♥, I give. If he cue-bids 4 of a minor, I use RKCB. In the real world, with my partners, I play 2NT by me over 1♠ as strong four card support and start an artificial auction with 3♣ by partner being his weakest response.. .but this is FAR FAR FAR from standard. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 2S for me as well. This is REALLY the wrong hand type for 4C. it shows 6-4 with CONCENTRATED values, and is not nearly this strong. Anyways 4D is ok but I would also start with 2S. over 3H I would just bid keycard, as inelegant as that is. I want to be in slam opposite xxx Kxxxx xxx xx, so I'll just bid keycard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted June 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Isn't 3♦ the splinter on this auction Justin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 depends on your agreements. Some play 3D is just a mini splinter (like 14 and stiff or 15 and stiff). Some play its mini splinter or super splinter... Some play 3D=stiff and 4D=void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 depends on your agreements. Some play 3D is just a mini splinter (like 14 and stiff or 15 and stiff). Some play its mini splinter or super splinter... Some play 3D=stiff and 4D=void. I am one of "some". 3♦ is a singleton, at least invitational, 4♦ is a void. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 This is REALLY the wrong hand type for 4C. it shows 6-4 with CONCENTRATED values, and is not nearly this strong Agree totally, and it would take an agreement for An/OR, either weak and concentrated or strong and GF with slam interest. The only thing it couldn't be is a "tweener". In fact, just about any bid that shows two suits with agreement may use this an/or approach, provided that partner cannot pass the bid. Michael's comes immediately to mind, as with agreement you could play this as either QJ10xx, KJ10xx, x, xx or AQJxx, AKJxxx, x, x, but it shouldn't then be AJ10xx, KQxxx, x, Kx. An/Or approach allows the same bid to show 2 different values and expands the vocabulary, but only IMO. WinstonM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 after 3♥ i'd also bid 3♠, showing the ace (or a void, unlikely).. i'm not sure i'd give up, as ben said, over 4♥.. constructing a "perfect minimum" leads to slam pretty easily... ♣Qx(x) might do it, along with some trump cards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 The alternative to splinter with singleton A, K or Q is to consider you have a balanced hand. After all, that singleton top honor is worth at least as much as a doubleton (and often more!). Still, with the hand above I don't need any of that. Just bid 4NT and all should be fine. No need to complicate matters with cuebids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Still, with the hand above I don't need any of that. Just bid 4NT and all should be fine. No need to complicate matters with cuebids. And punish partner by letting him play a doomed contract at the 5-level on the natural spade lead? Great approach. Jxx10xxxQJxQxx Maybe he should have passed 1♣ because he risks that you drive him to the 5-level moments later? That can hardly be winning bridge. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Good grief.. Roland, when are you going to realize some people do NOT think in terms of the worst-case-scenario? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted June 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 [hv=d=n&v=e&n=sa5haq75dkcakt875&s=sk2hkt843d98754cj]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Say the auction starts 1♣-(P)-1♥-(1♠)2♠ How should it continue? Is the 2♠ bid GF? Sorry, I could probably have fitted more of my questions into the original post, but I wanted to give Justin an excuse to post several times to the thread under each of his aliases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Good grief.. Roland, when are you going to realize some people do NOT think in terms of the worst-case-scenario? When are you going to realise that it's possible to investigate slam without bypassing a safe level? Punting seems to be your kind of game. It's ok of course, but it is not sound bridge in my opinion. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I think the North hand is worth a 2C opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Sorry, I could probably have fitted more of my questions into the original post, but I wanted to give Justin an excuse to post several times to the thread under each of his aliases. You might had waited just a bit more, these alias was suposed to be sleeping while you posted these :o. It seems obvious that splinter works like a charm on the posted hand, but let's say you do not use it, after 2♠ soth won't accept the game invite and bid 3♥, then nortth will bid 3♠. At these point South has to not fall asleep, North has not splintered, and is tryins slam, these means his ♠K is a golden card rather than a wasted value, he has to bid something encouraging such as 3NT or 4♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 When are you going to realise that it's possible to investigate slam without bypassing a safe level? That would be nice, if it were true. Unless you are completely sure that you and pard are on the same wavelenght, it is better to make a practical bid. Trying to be "clever" on a delicate situation can lead to misunderstandings, and the result can be far worse than making that practical bid. Note that if I seem to be a punter, it's because people don't completely disclose the context of the bidding problems. If I'm facing my favourite pard, I can afford to try and be clever because I know pard will understand what I'm doing. Otherwise I would never dream of complicating matters when simpler and clearer options are up for grabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 [hv=d=n&v=e&n=sa5haq75dkcakt875&s=sk2hkt843d98754cj]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Say the auction starts 1♣-(P)-1♥-(1♠)2♠ How should it continue? Is the 2♠ bid GF? Sorry, I could probably have fitted more of my questions into the original post, but I wanted to give Justin an excuse to post several times to the thread under each of his aliases. LOL. Yes, 2S sets up a game force. At that point it is ambiguous about whether or not it has heart support, which is the downside (LHO may bid 4S before you have raised hearts). You might have a hand with solid diamonds needing a stopper, or an 18-19 balanced with no spade stopper etc. Partners first obligation is to bid 2N with a stopper, or raise you, or rebid his own suit or show a second suit. Then opener can clarify his intentions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Some play 3D is just a mini splinter (like 14 and stiff or 15 and stiff). Some play its mini splinter or super splinter... Some play 3D=stiff and 4D=void. Yes, and some like it in the pot, Nine Days Old! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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