MickyB Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=b&s=sak3ha64d43cakt54]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Playing Acol, you open 1♣, and pard bids 3♣ invitational. Are you thinking about slam at this point? What's your bid? If you bid 3♥, what does a 3♠ rebid by pard show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Dealer: South Vul: Both Scoring: IMP ♠ AK3 ♥ A64 ♦ 43 ♣ AKT54 Playing Acol, you open 1♣, and pard bids 3♣ invitational. Are you thinking about slam at this point? What's your bid? If you bid 3♥, what does a 3♠ rebid by pard show? I bid 4s over 3s. I want partner to know K or KQ of D are big cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMetsch Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Sure, it can be slam, even 7♣ is still possible with a perfect hand. I bid 3♥, showing a stopper for 3NT. If partner bids 3NT over my 3♥ bid, I will continue with 4♣ which must be a slam going hand and so 3♥ was a cue (denying a ♦ cue).Now that partner bids 3♠, I guess he has a half stopper in ♦, so slam is off and I bid 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 3♥. Over 3♠ (values) from partner, I will try 5♣, because we have no diamond stopper. Can't be sure that it makes though: QJxQxxQJQJxxx Now we are at least one level too high. Such is life. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 ! lol@your example roland. Even I wouldnt give a limit raise on that POS. Also surely 3N is better over 3H with that, it seems unlikely 5C is the right spot with that. Anyways, 3S is probing for 3N, shows some values there... I wonder how that can be as i have the AK of spades ;) I will also bid 4S over 3S as I think partner may still have a diamond card (like the ace). He shouldnt but i dont trust him :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 3♥. Over 3♠ (values) from partner, I will try 5♣, because we have no diamond stopper. Can't be sure that it makes though: QJxQxxQJQJxxx Now we are at least one level too high. Such is life. Roland UGGGGGGGGG this is limit raise in Acol? I better pull out my monthly british bridge and double check this Acol stuff including 2/1 not promising a rebid ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civill Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=b&s=sak3ha64d43cakt54]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Playing Acol, you open 1♣, and pard bids 3♣ invitational. Are you thinking about slam at this point? What's your bid? If you bid 3♥, what does a 3♠ rebid by pard show? Yes, I'll make a slam try. I'll bid 4♣,then turn to my PD.If someone bids 3♥,respondes 3♠,I'll rebid 4♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 For some reason, I'm not optimistic about this hand. I'd bid a plain 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 After pard bids 3S I'd be worried about the diamonds for 3N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I was taught that when 7 might be cold you should try to play 6 at least, I would start with 3♠ rather than 3♥, at the 3 level I don't show control but weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I agree with starting with 3S, but this is minority view im sure :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Hmmm I'm not that excited about slam either. This hand has 6 losers and its doubtful pard can cover 5 (or have 6 losers himself for the LTC fanatics). But I'll start with 3S too I guess. Odd - this a hand where I want pard to take control on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted June 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Ok, thanks for the responses. I wondered if 1♣:3♣, 3♥:3♠ might be a further probe for 3N, promising a diamond stop, denying a spade stop and showing a hand not keen on declaring, but apparently not :) I too am a 3♠ bidder over 3♣. My hand for the limit raise was Qxx Kxx AJx Jxxx. I nearly bid 1♦ over 1♣, which would clearly have led us to 3N rather than the inferior 5♣ that we reached at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I'll start cuebidding ♥. If p bids 3♠, it's last train, showing a ♦ stopper and no ♠ stopper (why continue cuebidding with a suit unstopped?? :blink: ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 My hand for the limit raise was Qxx Kxx AJx Jxxx. I nearly bid 1♦ over 1♣, which would clearly have led us to 3N rather than the inferior 5♣ that we reached at the table. These Acol limit raises are killing me :blink: Now I really am goiing to leaf through my stack of British Bridge. I would have bid 1NT :) :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I'll start cuebidding ♥. 3♥ is not a cue bid. When a minor is supported, our first aim is to find the best game, so 3♥ is merely a feature, showing extras of course since I could have passed 3♣. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I'll start cuebidding ♥. 3♥ is not a cue bid. When a minor is supported, our first aim is to find the best game, so 3♥ is merely a feature, showing extras of course since I could have passed 3♣. Roland While this is true, it can also be (as in this case), an advanced cue-bid, when you continue over 3NT with 4S, pointing a laser light on lack of diamond control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Ok, thanks for the responses. I wondered if 1♣:3♣, 3♥:3♠ might be a further probe for 3N, promising a diamond stop, denying a spade stop and showing a hand not keen on declaring, but apparently not :blink: I too am a 3♠ bidder over 3♣. My hand for the limit raise was Qxx Kxx AJx Jxxx. I nearly bid 1♦ over 1♣, which would clearly have led us to 3N rather than the inferior 5♣ that we reached at the table. I would have bid 2N over 1C. Your hand screams NT. 1N is ok but a little conservative for me. Over 3H, again I would bid 3N. You have stoppers and, again, your hand screams NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 My hand for the limit raise was Qxx Kxx AJx Jxxx. This is a classic Acol 2NT response over 1♣. 11-12 hcp, balanced, no 4-card major, usually club support, because you could have bid 1♦ with 4. Could conceivably be a 3343 hand. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 DamnACOL, I though 3♣ will be with 5♣ at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMetsch Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I would have bid 1NT :) :)Playing ACOL, you are too strong for 1NT :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I would have bid 1NT :) :)Playing ACOL, you are too strong for 1NT :D That is just a question of hand evaluation. Surely ACOL allows for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMetsch Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 That is just a question of hand evaluation. Surely ACOL allows for that.I like to be in 3NT if partner has a balanced 15/16-count. As I remember Acol, partner will pass with those hands a response of 1NT. But maybe I am wrong, it's so long ago I read those books of Crowhurst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I would have bid 1NT :) :)Playing ACOL, you are too strong for 1NT :D My hand for the limit raise was Qxx Kxx AJx Jxxx. Well you may right. My partner always has: AXX=XXXX=X=AKXXX or less so I do not want to get up high with these partners. So over 2nt we are stuck. I assume even in Acol 1c=1nt promises 8Hcp so they can invite with 15hcp yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted June 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 1N and 2N aren't options IMO - pard will pass 1N with a flat 15 and most flat 16s, and 2N would have been natural and forcing (ok, ok, unfortunately it's Baron showing 16+ bal!) I think at one time 1♣:1NT may have shown 8-10 in Acol with a 1♦ bid manufactured on 6-7 bals, but it's certainly not standard now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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