selevin Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 We had a hand where partner was playing a spade part-score. Trumps were drawn and the only loser was the ace of hearts. He claimed 5 of the last 6 tricks. The defender with the ace of hearts knew he had one trick, but then had to count how many cards were left to see if 5 was the correct number of tricks to claim. He got confused and rejected the claim. Would it be possible to present the claim to the defenders as all-but-1 instead of or in addition to the number of tricks claimed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilowsky Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 At the end of the day, the fastest, kindest thing to do is just play it out. Sometimes people just can't see what you see.What mystifies me is why the robots can't claim when they are playing out an obviously winning/losing position. It must bore them to tears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 Disagree. Playing it out in an obvious situation is effectively calling your opponents morons who can't count to 13. The claim dialog should say something like "I claim N out of the last X tricks. You get (X-N) tricks." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilowsky Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 Disagree. Playing it out in an obvious situation is effectively calling your opponents morons who can't count to 13. The claim dialog should say something like "I claim N out of the last X tricks. You get (X-N) tricks." If your opponent rejects your claim and you refuse to play it out then who is being impolite now?Manners don't enter into it. You are just wasting time. It's boring. No-one is dying - just play it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 In real life, people claim the total number of tricks they will make, not the total of the tricks remaining. It gets more confusing, when there is a trick in progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 In real life, people claim the total number of tricks they will make, not the total of the tricks remaining. It gets more confusing, when there is a trick in progress.People often claim things like "Giving up the ace of hearts" and it's understood they mean they're winning the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 This is a problem with the (V3) UI. "I claim 5 tricks. Making 3. Taking the marked !C finesse" covers the trick count - so I don't have the automatic quick look on "oh we have 3, that means he's giving me the top trump, okay." I have to count the cards left to see that there are 6, and by then the claim times out. Apart from fixing it so this doesn't happen any more (which I realize is 'phone forcing desktop' problems), this could be changed so that, if the claim is not for all the tricks (including the current one, if in progress), the statement is "I claim 5 of 6 tricks. Making 3." Now there are those - IRL as well as online - who don't listen and will autoreject a claim if they get a trick, even if the claim gives them that trick. That's life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 People often claim things like "Giving up the ace of hearts" and it's understood they mean they're winning the rest. Yes, or will face their cards and say something like “eleven” or “plus one”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilowsky Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 Yes, or will face their cards and say something like "eleven" or "plus one". Exactly, IRL you can quickly explain and get on with it. Online it's faster to play it out. Just like humour, timing is everything.It isn't a cleverness competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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