haver Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Sp AJ10632H A1086D 82Cl 2 In second seat u hear pass - what do u bid? If u passed - it goes: pass, pass, 1 Heart, pass, 1NT - it is back to u, now what do u bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Sp AJ10632H A1086D 82Cl 2 In second seat u hear pass - what do u bid? If u passed - it goes: pass, pass, 1 Heart, pass, 1NT - it is back to u, now what do u bid? What?? you pass with this hand??? I would've opened 1S for several reasons:- you have -6LTC, and the minimum is -7- rule of 19- you have a great rebid: after 1S - 1NT you rebid 2S, after 1S - 2m you rebid 2H Now I would bid 2S or even 3S... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Sp AJ10632H A1086D 82Cl 2 In second seat u hear pass - what do u bid? 1s, what's the problem? If u passed - it goes: pass, pass, 1 Heart, pass, 1NT - it is back to u, now what do u bid? I'd have never passed that hand, never never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Hi, in my regular partnershipwe play, that we open any hand with is in the rule of 18 and where is no rebid problem.So with him, I would bid 1 Spade, no problem. With pick up pds, HCP counters and others, I can easily pass, after all, I am the boss and have spades. This hand is a good example, why you don`t need to hurry if you have the spades. No need to bid first, you have an easy 2 Spade or maybe 3 Spade bid now... Kind Regards Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 "Sp AJ10632H A1086D 82Cl 2 In second seat u hear pass - what do u bid? If u passed - it goes: pass, pass, 1 Heart, pass, 1NT - it is back to u, now what do u bid?" 1) I open light - with regular pd 1S, with pickup pd 2S. 4 nice hearts - tough. I won't pass this hand.2) This is why I won't pass this hand. 2S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Peter,Please don't ever think about opening this hand 2s, you have 2 aces, defensive values and a side 4 card heart suit, if your side belongs to hearts you lose the suit and it will be very hard for pd to understand that you opened 2s with 6 losers, 2 aces and two good suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Open 1S by rule of 20... 10 cards in two suits, 9 hcp = 19... but you have the Ten of spades and Ten of hearts... add one point for both tens. This is a "sound" 1S opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Luis writes:"Peter,Please don't ever think about opening this hand 2s, you have 2 aces, defensive values and a side 4 card heart suit, if your side belongs to hearts you lose the suit and it will be very hard for pd to understand that you opened 2s with 6 losers, 2 aces and two good suits." Luis - thank you for the advice. Up until a month ago, I wouldn't have considered opening it 2S. However, I read Robson/Segal's Paertnership Bidding (just the Pressure bidding chapter), and my regular pd and I have been playing it, though cautiously when vul, and a bit cautious when NV 2nd seat. The results have been MUCH better than expected, so far (but not nearly enough hands to really judge). We are searching for the "outer limits", and we figure to learn them mostly by getting burned at the table, but advice is welcome. On this hand:1) Would you open 2S (if you didn't open 1S, which is a better bid) in the first seat? In the third?2) What if the HA was changed to the Q? Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Luis writes:"Peter,Please don't ever think about opening this hand 2s, you have 2 aces, defensive values and a side 4 card heart suit, if your side belongs to hearts you lose the suit and it will be very hard for pd to understand that you opened 2s with 6 losers, 2 aces and two good suits." Luis - thank you for the advice. Up until a month ago, I wouldn't have considered opening it 2S. However, I read Robson/Segal's Paertnership Bidding (just the Pressure bidding chapter), and my regular pd and I have been playing it, though cautiously when vul, and a bit cautious when NV 2nd seat. The results have been MUCH better than expected, so far (but not nearly enough hands to really judge). We are searching for the "outer limits", and we figure to learn them mostly by getting burned at the table, but advice is welcome. On this hand:1) Would you open 2S (if you didn't open 1S, which is a better bid) in the first seat? In the third?2) What if the HA was changed to the Q? Peter Hi, Peter, I quite agree with Lius on the 2s opening. I would not open 2s with this hand esp. pd has not passed yet. You will easily miss game in heart by bidding 2s. If you dont like 1s, then pass. But facing passed pd, u may consider 2s, even 3s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 On this hand:1) Would you open 2S (if you didn't open 1S, which is a better bid) in the first seat? In the third?2) What if the HA was changed to the Q? I will throw my view into the ring. Again, the original hands is a 1S opening bid, clear cut. But take away the Heart ACE and add the heart QUEEN, it no longer qualifies for 1S. So the question becomes, is this a second seat 2S bid? How about a second seat 3S bid? Hmmmm... With AJTxxx QT8x xx x and not vul, I will open 3S in first seat, 2S in 2nd seat, and 3S or 1S in third seat depending upon my mood. The reason for not 3S in second seat is that 2nd seat preempts should be sound, but feel free to stretch the others. But if your concern is the four card heart suit, then don't preempt. I don't generally worry about such things. Why 3S with only a six card suit when not vul? This is made only with a partner who understands Robson/Segal pressure bids...with a pickup partner or a "sound" bidder, I would open 2S in all three positions. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Well, if your suits are so weak, then I think you should listen to codo's advice: you have time. I NEVER open a weak-2 bid with a 4-card in other major (except if it promisses both majors like our 2C-opening). And some partnerships don't even do it with a 3-card, because the possibility of partner having a 5-card OM and a singleton/void M is pretty big. It's not the quality of the second suit that counts, it's the length. 4 is just too much! Same thing for a pre-empt at 3 level: don't do that with a 4-card major. I pass with xxxx - void - xx - AJ10xxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Well, if your suits are so weak, then I think you should listen to codo's advice: you have time. I NEVER open a weak-2 bid with a 4-card in other major (except if it promisses both majors like our 2C-opening). And some partnerships don't even do it with a 3-card, because the possibility of partner having a 5-card OM and a singleton/void M is pretty big. It's not the quality of the second suit that counts, it's the length. 4 is just too much! Same thing for a pre-empt at 3 level: don't do that with a 4-card major. I pass with xxxx - void - xx - AJ10xxxx Hi Free, I, like you and condo, use to never preempt with a side four card major (any quality). It went against what I was taught. Then I became enlightened by the teaching of zen master Robson and Segal. Now, as I said, I don't worry about it one bit when not vul. I like bidding 2S on the modified hand (no heart ace, but with heart queen) for a couple of reasons. The first is the lead. I want partner to lead a spade. The second is as an offensive bid, partner will know what to do most of the time. Third is to steal space... if I pass now, they will get two chances to bid before I get a chance to re-enter the auction with 2S. They will exchange a lot of information in that time, and may even have time to find their fit. What a difference it makes if their bidding has to start at the three level? Anyway, after reading R/S and watching RADO apply R/S pressure bids in the BBO... I fully adopted the teaching from chapter 3 of their book, and have never regretted it. But this is what makes bridge so much fun... if we all bid the same, the game would be so much less interesting. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 It's not that big of a difference to start bidding at 3-level. The problem is: do they have to bid something or is it a 'partial game score' ur fighting for? And then it's all about what suit you want to play. In teams it can make small difference, in pairs it can make a huge difference if the field is playing 2H +1 and you play 2S =. My experience is that it's not good to bid pre-emptive with a 4-card Major next to the suit you bid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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