What can you picture?

[MinorKid]

We bid:

 

1♦-1♥

2♦-4♣(optional voidwood)

4♦(I don't have an opening bid if you're void in clubs)-4♥(I don't care, still voidwood)

5♣(2 without)-7♦ (you can't have enough other things to make other grands as good given the 4♦ bid)

 

Alternative auction:

1♦-1♥

2♦-2♥(art inv+)

3♦(minimum, no side suit, not 3♥)-5♣(voidwood)

5♠(2 without)-7♦(you can't have enough other things to make other grands as good given the 3♦ bid)

 

Playing something more traditional without voidwood, I think you have to bid 4♣ splinter over 2♦, and I think it will continue 4♣-4♦-4♥-5♦-6♣ and now given that partner is still interested in the knowledge that I don't have an ace or king outside the trump suit, the trump AK has to be enough. There is the inference that he could have GSFd so the knowledge that I have 2 is not enough, it has to be AK so Jxxx is a very likely holding.

 

I guess someone like Brian Senior prefer play 1♦-1♥

2♦-4♣ as mini-splinter with usually 4-card support. To show a void they splinter and c-bid that suit again(4♣ ?? 5♣) so that they can continue c-bids / sign-off. To ask for key card with the void they start with the higher bid (5♣). These are on the grounds that singleton appears more than a void.

[Cyberyeti]

I guess someone like Brian Senior prefer play 1♦-1♥

2♦-4♣ as mini-splinter with usually 4-card support. To show a void they splinter and c-bid that suit again(4♣ ?? 5♣) so that they can continue c-bids / sign-off. To ask for key card with the void they start with the higher bid (5♣). These are on the grounds that singleton appears more than a void.

 

We play a bourke style relay, the hands that would splinter with a stiff club go through that, so 4♣ is categorically a void for us.

[MinorKid]

Anyone think inverted minor raise 1♦-2♦ have some credit?

[Cyberyeti]

Anyone think inverted minor raise 1♦-2♦ have some credit?

If you have the system to deal with it maybe but particularly at matchpoints, you need to establish if partner has ♥xxx and this isn't the way to do that.

[MinorKid]

We play a bourke style relay, the hands that would splinter with a stiff club go through that, so 4♣ is categorically a void for us.

 

 

"on the new suit that would be forcing, so jump of that suit =splinter rule"

Bourke style relay said that, so does Brian Senior mini-sprinter.

[Cyberyeti]

"on the new suit that would be forcing, so jump of that suit =splinter rule"

Bourke style relay said that, so does Brian Senior mini-sprinter.

 

Yes, but there are so few hands you want to do it on, you will usually want the additional information available from the relay at lower level, give me a hand you'd bid 1♥ then mini splinter.

[MinorKid]

We bid:

 

1♦-1♥

2♦-4♣(optional voidwood)

4♦(I don't have an opening bid if you're void in clubs)-4♥(I don't care, still voidwood)

5♣(2 without)-7♦ (you can't have enough other things to make other grands as good given the 4♦ bid)

 

Putting in my shoe,

1♦ 1♥

2♦ 5♣

5♦ 5♥

6♣ 7♦

 

ok got it :)

 

Alternative auction:

1♦-1♥

2♦-2♥(art inv+)

3♦(minimum, no side suit, not 3♥)-5♣(voidwood)

5♠(2 without)-7♦(you can't have enough other things to make other grands as good given the 3♦ bid)

 

Did you set the trumps on 2♥? Or it is merely showing stength? What if you want to play 2♥?

 

 

Playing something more traditional without voidwood, I think you have to bid 4♣ splinter over 2♦, and I think it will continue 4♣-4♦-4♥-5♦-6♣ and now given that partner is still interested in the knowledge that I don't have an ace or king outside the trump suit, the trump AK has to be enough. There is the inference that he could have GSFd so the knowledge that I have 2 is not enough, it has to be AK so Jxxx is a very likely holding.

 

There goes:

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It seem to me p asking me for second rd spade control. Maybe, maybe-not. That's interesting.

[Cyberyeti]

Did you set the trumps on 2♥? Or it is merely showing stength? What if you want to play 2♥?

 

We give up on playing 2♥, the 2♥ bid is simply an artificial "tell me more" bid.

 

There goes:

[hv=pc=n&n=sqt9h93dak8762cq7&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=p1dp1hp2dp4c(Mini%20Splinter)p4dp4hp5dp6cp?]133|200[/hv]

 

It seem to me p asking me for second rd spade control. Maybe, maybe-not. That's interesting.

 

If I was after a second round spade control I'd bid 5♥ and partner would bid 5♠ if he had one.

[bluenikki]

Sir,This hand is not the best candidate for a 2♥ jump shift.. I shall respond a simple 1♥ and await further developments already illustrated by others.It is worthwhile to go slow when openers start with a 1♣ or 1♦the two bids which need be investigated at low levels.with this hand one need not be in a hurry to take control right away.That can always be done anytime later.

 

But, as in my preceding post, partner's rebid will focus on finding a reasonable partscore strain. You wish he would know to suppress a bad suit. You will not get useful information.

[Cyberyeti]

But, as in my preceding post, partner's rebid will focus on finding a reasonable partscore strain. You wish he would know to suppress a bad suit. You will not get useful information.

 

If partner has 10xxxxx 5♦ is a perfectly decent spot and you will play there if you voidwood.

[MinorKid]

Yes, but there are so few hands you want to do it on, you will usually want the additional information available from the relay at lower level, give me a hand you'd bid 1♥ then mini splinter.

A typical 4-4-4-1

[Cyberyeti]

A typical 4-4-4-1

 

Responds 2♦ for us

[MinorKid]

Responds 2♦ for us

 

Wow. Do you mean respond 2♦ to 1♦

?

[Cyberyeti]

Wow. Do you mean respond 2♦ to 1♦

?

 

Yes, one advantage of playing a 4 card diamond and a weak no trump is that 1♦-2♦ is 9+ with 5 or 10+ with 4 not denying 4M, this is much more awkward if the diamond might be 3 or you play a strong NT.