Renouncing a claim

[pescetom]

During a tournament I directed today, I saw an experienced player make a claim for all remaining tricks which as I understood was rejected by opponents.

He did indeed have all remaining tricks, but the line was not completely obvious and he did not state it or follow it when he played on (successfully).

He later insisted that the claim had not been rejected by the opponents - he had renounced it before they replied.

Is this possible?

The opponents (beginners) cannot remember what happened.

If director was following the table, what message would he see when the player renounced his claim?

[Vampyr]

During a tournament I directed today, I saw an experienced player make a claim for all remaining tricks which as I understood was rejected by opponents.

He did indeed have all remaining tricks, but the line was not completely obvious and he did not state it or follow it when he played on (successfully).

He later insisted that the claim had not been rejected by the opponents - he had renounced it before they replied.

Is this possible?

The opponents (beginners) cannot remember what happened.

If director was following the table, what message would he see when the player renounced his claim?

 

I don’t know what message the director would see, but you can cancel the claim before the opponents have decided about it. I have done this once or twice when I accidentally claimed more tricks then I was going to win

[m00036]

I don’t know what message the director would see, but you can cancel the claim before the opponents have decided about it. I have done this once or twice when I accidentally claimed more tricks then I was going to win

Yes it is possible for a player to reject their own claim, and it just appears as Claim Rejected in the normal way as if either opponent had rejected it. Play continues with the defenders being able to see all 4 cards as normal. One of the other common reasons (in addition to the one quoted) for rejecting your own claim is if time is short and the opponents are reluctant to accept - it may just be quicker to play it out.

 

A director in a virtual club should have access to "Table History" which clearly indicates which player accepts and rejects any given claim so a ruling can be given as appropriate if required.

[barmar]

I don't think there's a difference in what you see when an opponent rejects the claim or the claimer cancels.

[shyams]

He later insisted that the claim had not been rejected by the opponents - he had renounced it before they replied.

Is this possible?

 

Let me address this point in isolation (with no implication on the suitability or appropriateness w.r.t. Laws). The claim function on BBO has a feature whereby you can cancel/renounce your claim without needing an opponent to reject it.

[pescetom]

Thanks all.

 

Maybe BBO could differentiate the message so that it is clear that the claim was cancelled and not rejected.