PriorKnowledge Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 For those bidding 3C, showing 4♠, 3♦, 5 or 6♣ and non-forcing, pls tell me what do you bid AKxxx - Qxx Axxxx a hand where you want 3C forcing?OrQJxxxx - xx KQxxx a hand where you want 3C non-forcing but without diam support Does1W p 1X 2Yp p 2 or 3Z = non-forcing? Just asking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 But my reason for not passing is that, like you I don't think we will have a game (or if we do we won't get to it over 3D). I do think we need to fight for the partscore. Selling out to 2H with a void has rarely been a winning strategy for me, unless I thought they had a game. The risk of going for 500 in 3D is real, but not that great I don't think. Thank you, Justin. WinstonM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 new suit at the 3 level seems forcing to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriorKnowledge Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Thx. Good - I know some are playing the 2Z bid non-forcing. I am still stuck with the old new-suit-by-unpassed-responder-is-forcing rule. Since 3C is forcing you can't bid it... PERIOD. So the choice between pass, 3D, and X are judgement decisions, but bidding 3C is an error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 I'm going to perch myself out on my usual limb and bid 2N. With my regular pard this would certainly be quasi-unusual and if you have that agreement, isn't this call best? Pard should opt for 3C anytime his clubs are one different than is diamonds. Partner could be 1453, 2443, 2353, 1363, 0454 or a few other shapes. Sometimes diamonds is better, sometimes clubs. I've known pairs that play 3C as non-forcing here. Similarly, some sort of good/badish 2N might be nice too. Playing a 12-14 NT I think I'm at an advantage here. Pard would double to show a 15+ flat hand so he can't be balanced. Good / Bad 2N also applies so his hand is likely in the 10-13 range with some shape. In other words, 3 of a minor rates to play quite nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 obviously if you can bid 2N as unusual this wouldnt be a problem. If you are in the 95 % of the world who doesn't do that, you have to make due...hence the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 new suit at the 3 level seems forcing to me... I wouldn't be so sure. There's a lot of ways to force/invite to game (double, cue, jump to 3S). No need to mobilize 3C for that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 yes you can always cue but that is bulky and eats up alot of room while saying nothing about your hand. As for Xing, that gets ambiguous as well with a black 2 suiter (not to mention you may fear a pass). Let's say pard bids 3D...now what. You still haven't shown clubs. You're going to lose alot in constructive situations in order to stop on a dime in 3C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Well, let me put it another way: if you can't bid 3C to show the 4S 5+C, 8-10 hcp hand, you're going to be outbid a number of imes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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