Rebound Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Just my 2 cents: I think on hands like this it is a good idea to decide the level right away as with any pre-empt and just bid it then keep silent thereafter. I'd go for 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Full hands here ♠ AKT9xxx♥ --♦ --♣ AQJxxx ♠ --♥ AKQ98xxxx♦ JT97♣ -- At table South tried a gambling 3NT overcall, after which there was no stopping North blasting to 6♠. Final contract was 7♥ X, which was on the verge to make, given the lead was.. a spade!!! 1 down. The lesson of the hand is simple and recurrent. I've seen a couple of hands like this: a long suit and lenght in opponent's suit. What usually happens is pard has a monster 2-suiter in the unbid suits and can't keep quiet. The trick with hands like this is how to convince pard to stop below the 5 or 6-level. Pass is not good because pard is definitely going to overcall some suit we can't support. A shot at 5 or 6♥ does keep pard quiet, but is probably too high because neither we nor opps can make a thing. A 4♥ overcall might do the trick, but if pard 'tries' for something we're in trouble. That leaves a simple 2 or 3♥ overcall, rebidding hearts at all occasions. Perhaps pard can understand this. Maybe it goes (1♦) 2♥ 2♠ (enthousiastic)3♥ 4♣ (still confident)4♥ ...? (what is he talking about?? Oh well, I pass) Just made ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 I don't think because i have the ever so frequent 9-4 pard must have 7-6. But thats me. Who dealt this hand??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Not to mention that partner has just about every missing high card point in the deck. By the way, pass might work out after all. As long as you are disciplined and continue to pass when partner bids each of your voids. Not saying it's best, but on the hand given could work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 I am not disciplined then, I don't think I could ever pass throughout with 9-4 including 9 solid ;)... Maybe if they opened 7N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Start with 1 H and at your next turn bid 5D, Pard will know what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Who dealt this hand??????? Was dealt at table. From what I could tell, it was a legitimate shuffle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Could you let us know how partner will know what to do after you bid 1♥ and 5♦? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 (1♦) - 1♥ - (P) - 1/2/3/4♠(P) - 5♦ - (P) - ? Isn't this obviously a long heart suit and nothing else? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Could you let us know how partner will know what to do after you bid 1♥ and 5♦?Certainly. On freak hands, everyone will have something to say (show). The key is to describe your hand as accurately as possible. Despite the actual hand (result) pard will know that you have solid H and at least 2 quick losers in D. (Therefore, no support for any suit he might (have) offer(ed).) I'm sure that a good pard, given accurate information about your hand, will be able to make an informed and correct decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Well, perhaps one should define an overcall of 4♦ as "I have a freak hand", as in.. 1♠ 4♦ = "A freak. guess my suit(s)" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Who dealt this hand??????? Was dealt at table. From what I could tell, it was a legitimate shuffle. lol wow I believe it since probability wise one of these hands WILL get dealt, but still amazing. BTW I agree that describing your hand to partner is good, but with 9-4 it is impossible to describe accurately. This is not the type of hand for science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 I would not that master-minded and just bid 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 I would not that master-minded and just bid 4H. I believe that to "master-mind" means to act unilaterally (excluding pard from the bidding). 4 H (right or wrong) certainly qualifies and I would think better describes a hand like 1-8-2-2 etc. so pard will have a TOTAL description of your (lack of)values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 i don't think i'd use 'mastermind' about someone who had a solid 9 card suit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 If you are going to "mastermind" 9-4 is the time to do it lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 I just defined it but didn't use the M word so I guess it turns out to be a philosophical question. When pard says in the post-mortem, "If I'd known that you had 2 voids I would have passed (bid 6) (doubled) etc." Bridge bidding ALWAYS involves pard even if you are the only one who can see your cards. A preempt tells pard that there is nothing else about your hand that he needs to know other than there is no help for him and no defense. Strangely, the hand in question seems to have some defense against diamonds.....holy 2- edged sword! One of the best parts of the auction, knowing how to continue because you have an exact idea about what pard has (or doesn't have). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 If I had overcalled 4H and cue bid 5D over pard's 4S call I would think I'm showing support for pard. Justin, you may be right about a jump cue in a minor showing that suit although I don't have a sense how many pairs use it otherwise. We use it to show a solid suit - ostensibly the other minor, but I know that its also played as 'super michaels' often too. The other day I picked up with Clarsen: AQJTxxxxx, void, Axxx, void and got to an easy 6S in about 4 calls LOL. Science - uh no. Bashing - maybe ;). Judgement? Hope so B). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Roughly 25 years ago (give or take 10 years) a hand with 10 solid hearts (and 3 small cards if I recall correctly) was dealt in what I believe was the semi-finals of a major ACBL or World Championship team event. At all 4 tables where this deal was played, the player to the right of the heart hand opened 1 of a minor. The 4 great players who held 10 solid hearts chose 4 different actions. One passed(!), one overcalled 1H(!), one bid 4H, and one bid 5H. I do not remember anything about the actual deal in terms of who could make what or exactly what happened at the 4 tables in which the deal was played, but I do have a fairly clear recollection of Edgar Kaplan's comments when he wrote up this deal in one of his brilliant match reports in The Bridge World magazine. He said something like: "Not that one deal proves anything, but it strikes me as just that the only 2 successful actions were the credible underbid of 1H and the bold preempt of 5H." Perhaps I will forever be biased by this wonderful comment, but with the 9-4 hand that is the subject of this post, my first 2 choices (in no particular order) would be 1H and 5H ;) Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 (1♦) - 1♥ - (P) - 1/2/3/4♠(P) - 5♦ - (P) - ? Isn't this obviously a long heart suit and nothing else? :blink: This looks like a transfer to a ♠ contract, probably into alevel where you won't be able to correct, even to 7♥ :-P Seriously, any cue after partner shows ♠ is gonna be taken as support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheoKole Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 4 hearts now and always Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 Matchpoints opposite weak field. Intermediate pard who usually overbids. Gee I dont remember this hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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