lamford Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 A couple of times I have tried to lead a spade against a suit contract, and just as I am clicking on the leftmost card, the trumps move to the left and I end up leading the top trump, both times disastrously, and undos are not normally allowed in the play in the competitions I play in. I cannot find a way to stop this happening, other than waiting for the trumps to move, of course. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 You can switch to using the hand diagram rather than pictures of cards. Or you can wait until the cards move around. Neither is a great option I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted June 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 You can switch to using the hand diagram rather than pictures of cards. Or you can wait until the cards move around. Neither is a great option I agree.I assume that the trumps do not move to the top in the hand diagrams! There should be an option "(don't) move trumps to left" as a toggle. It would be a trivial programming change. But thanks for your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 I assume that the trumps do not move to the top in the hand diagrams! There should be an option "(don't) move trumps to left" as a toggle. It would be a trivial programming change. But thanks for your help!No, they don't move in the hand diagram. You can also turn on confirmation of cards to avoid misclicks, but that seems worse than the original problem to me. There are other ways to improve this part of the interface - not letting someone click for a second or so after cards are moved would also catch most of the misclicks. This issue was raised quite some time ago and even showed up in a high profile situation discussed on BridgeWinners a couple of months ago. So for now we seem to be stuck with it as is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyams Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 A couple of times I have tried to lead a spade against a suit contract, and just as I am clicking on the leftmost card, the trumps move to the left and I end up leading the top trump, both times disastrously, and undos are not normally allowed in the play in the competitions I play in. I cannot find a way to stop this happening, other than waiting for the trumps to move, of course. It happened to me as well until I forced myself to wait for trumps to move. I would add that it happens to other suits as well i.e. if you pick the (e.g.) sixth card from the left as the opening lead, it would have moved once trumps shuffle around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilowsky Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 Learning to wait is also known as delayed gratification. You should be able to manage it by the age of about 7. Maybe later depending on which system you play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted June 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 Learning to wait is also known as delayed gratification. You should be able to manage it by the age of about 7. Maybe later depending on which system you play.The most important property of a program is whether it accomplishes the intention of its user.” ― C.A.R. Hoare 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilowsky Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 That is true, but there are users and there are users... - PM Pilowsky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilowsky Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 That would be the same Hoare that invented the null reference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 That would be the same Hoare that invented the null reference?Tony Hoare is a genius, who wrote an early Algol compiler, many algorithms (including QuickSort), and made seminal contributions to Computer Science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilowsky Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 How can I put this without seeming snarky. Basically, the complaint is equivalent to saying that you are upset because you were hit by a car even though you stepped onto the road without taking the simple precaution of looking both ways before stepping out. Or, caught COVID-19 after going to a Trump rally in the middle of a pandemic, even though he specifically warned you that he was not going to be liable if you caught the virus. Or, if you failed to get immunised against seasonal influenza and then complained when you got the 'flu. The complaint is, well not that of a genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 This issue was raised quite some time ago and even showed up in a high profile situation discussed on BridgeWinners a couple of months ago. So for now we seem to be stuck with it as is. You mean an issue was raised and the BBO staff refused to do anything about it? Surely not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilowsky Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 VAMPYR: sarcasm! I don't believe it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 You mean an issue was raised and the BBO staff refused to do anything about it? Surely not!In their defence they've been busy and it's not the most serious issue. After you do it once or twice you start to subconsciously wait a beat. They have fixed some of the more significant problems recently - some of the functionality for directors is a huge improvement over even a month ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 In their defence they've been busy and it's not the most serious issue. After you do it once or twice you start to subconsciously wait a beat. They have fixed some of the more significant problems recently - some of the functionality for directors is a huge improvement over even a month ago. OK, but are you saying that they had no idea about the need to fix functionality for directors? Anyway, directors cannot see the results, cannot use a drop-down menu with a list of players if a score adjustment is needed. They also cannot assign (non-artificial) adjusted scores, weighted scores, and I have never tried to give a PP or DP, but I have read on these forums that these are impossible too. Unless these things are some of the things that got fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 This is getting off point. I'm not trying to say everything's perfect, so I'm not sure why you're trying to pretend I am. I'm just saying that I appreciate the things they've fixed recently. You're right about adjusted scores, but I have ways around that so I'm not too stressed (we download the results and have the opportunity to make adjustments before they become official). I get that other people don't have that capability and BBO has been told these things are issues. For what it's worth, I don't care about results, but I would like to be able to see what everyone else did on a board. However, they did change it so I can use robots when required, subs are easier, director calls make a noise and I can set it up to automatically delay when the session starts and players are missing. Now I can ring them up to see if there's an issue and they don't miss their evening's entertainment. Yes there are other features we would all like but these things make my players happy. So I like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 I have wondered if they were directors running games before the lockdown. I had thought that BBO were running tournaments. If so, I guess they didn’t have what one would really call “directors“, because then the functionalities that didn’t and don’t exist would have been in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamijd Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 How can I put this without seeming snarky. Basically, the complaint is equivalent to saying that you are upset because you were hit by a car even though you stepped onto the road without taking the simple precaution of looking both ways before stepping out. Or, caught COVID-19 after going to a Trump rally in the middle of a pandemic, even though he specifically warned you that he was not going to be liable if you caught the virus. Or, if you failed to get immunised against seasonal influenza and then complained when you got the 'flu. The complaint is, well not that of a genius. I don't view it as a complaint but rather, an invitation for proposed solutions to a small, but rather annoying (at least for me) problem. Your analogies are not apt. There's nothing that can be done about auto traffic and pedestrians. Each needs to look out for the other. Likewise, there's not a lot that can be done if Trump holds an indoor rally. Yes, you can wear an N95 mask, but even then there is some risk. You either accept the risk or else you stay home and watch it on Fox News. But here, there is something that can be done. My solution is simple but, I think, very effective. BBO should just delay rearranging the suits in all hands until JUST AFTER the opening lead has been made. Then you get the best of all worlds. What do others think? Cheers,Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbb483 Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 I think that by the time I've worked out where declarer is in relation to me, the cards have finished their dance anyway. I fail to see the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazumper Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 Did it once when I was trying to play fast and it hurt. Never again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 A couple of times I have tried to lead a spade against a suit contract, and just as I am clicking on the leftmost card, the trumps move to the left and I end up leading the top trump, both times disastrously, and undos are not normally allowed in the play in the competitions I play in. I cannot find a way to stop this happening, other than waiting for the trumps to move, of course.You can change your settings to Confirm Cards so you have to click twice. That's not a great solution because it's easy to accidentally double click and then the card is played. I don't know why BBO doesn't have a drag and drop option so you have to click on a card and drag it to a hot spot to play the card. You have time to confirm you have played the correct card as you are dragging it and there is almost no chance for error. Same for bids, drag and drop. There are easily available HTML API's to implement this method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huibertus Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 Fully agreed this is annoying. You hover over the card you want to lead, prepared to clik on it, the trumps are moved on screen and by the time you click all of a sudden it is a different card... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 You can change your settings to Confirm Cards so you have to click twice. That's not a great solution because it's easy to accidentally double click and then the card is played. I don't know why BBO doesn't have a drag and drop option so you have to click on a card and drag it to a hot spot to play the card. You have time to confirm you have played the correct card as you are dragging it and there is almost no chance for error. Same for bids, drag and drop. There are easily available HTML API's to implement this method. Or click to select a card (or call) and then click on the table to play and confirm (anywhere else deselects card). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamijd Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 BBO - just change it so that the suits aren't rearranged until the opening lead is made (during the time the dummy is presented, but before declarer can actually click on a dummy card). Problem solved. Cheers,mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbb483 Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 Interesting - this topic has had > 3000 views and only 23 replies, so less than 1 in 100 viewers percieve this as a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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