2D artificial reverse

[Walddk]

Poor Roland...he seems to be defending this artif reverse all by himself. I've been playing that for many many years...there is really no other "good" solution to many hands. BUT ..what about 1!d followed by 2!h (reverse)?

1!d 1!s

? !s Qxx

!h AKx

!d AKQxxx

!c x

Spot on Richie! The only sensible rebid is 2♥. With or without agreements about the continuation, you won't face a problem. Let responder support hearts all he likes; it takes little effort to correct to spades.

 

Your hand is too good for a 3♦ rebid, like the one I posted is too good for 3♣. Richard (hrothgar) put it well when he said that 2♦ is the most economical strong bid after 1♣ - 1MA.

 

Roland

[Fluffy]

2. Your 2NT rebid means that you are going to declare a NT contract. Not good if your partner has a positional stopper.

I am the guy who has 2-3 times the HCP strenght that partner has, I do want to receive the lead on most cases.

 

In fact that is one of the main reasons why 2NT rebid GF is the one we use.

[Walddk]

In fact that is one of the main reasons why 2NT rebid GF is the one we use.

If you really want a GF bid at the 2-level (other than a jump shift), I suppose it makes little sense trying to tell you that 2♦ gives you more room to manoeuvre than 2NT after

 

1♣ - 1MA

 

Roland

[hrothgar]

2.  Your 2NT rebid means that you are going to declare a NT contract.  Not good if your partner has a positional stopper.

I am the guy who has 2-3 times the HCP strenght that partner has, I do want to receive the lead on most cases.

 

In fact that is one of the main reasons why 2NT rebid GF is the one we use.

I agreed, you want to receive the lead in MOST cases.

However, I hope that you agree that you don't want to receive the lead in ALL cases...

Accordingly, it seems rather premature to insist on declaring the hand with Spades wide open. There's plenty of time to bid NT later in the auction...

 

For what its worth, I'm a strong proponent of "blasting" to a decent contract, however, right now we are in a purely constructive auction. While there may be some danger of a lead directing double, I beleive that these types of hands are best handled scientifically...

[whereagles]

However, I hope that you agree that you don't want to receive the lead in ALL cases (...) I beleive that these types of hands are best handled scientifically...

No science is going to cater for ALL cases.

 

But you're, of course, welcome to try and improve your methods. I just don't think this particular case is worth bothering that much with :)

[joker_gib]

Example 1:

2N: Natural, diamond side suit, not 3 hearts.

3♣: Natural, not 3 hearts, no spade stopper.

3♦: Natural, not 3 hearts, no spade stopper.

3♥: 3-card support, strong club suit.

3♠: 18-19 balanced, no spade stopper.

 

Example 2:

2♠: 3-card support, strong club suit.

2N: Natural, diamond side suit, not 3 spades.

3♣: Natural, not 3 spades, no heart stopper.

3♦: Natural, not 3 spades, no heart stopper.

3♥: 18-19 balanced, no heart stopper.

 

I know that there are more sophisticated continuations, but I want to keep it simple. All the above should be pretty easy to remember.

 

If opps double 4th suit things change a little as far as a stopper in 4th suit is concerned. Now Manco (described by me in an earlier post) applies.

 

Roland

So, Roland, is it like that ?

 

Example 1:

2N: Natural, diamond side suit, not 3 hearts. With a ♠ stopper I suppose ?

3♣: Natural, not 3 hearts, no spade stopper. So, 2-2-4-5 or x-x-4-6 ?

3♦: Natural, not 3 hearts, no spade stopper. So, x-x-5-6 ?

3♥: 3-card support, strong club suit.

3♠: 18-19 balanced, no spade stopper.

 

Example 2:

2♠: 3-card support, strong club suit.

2N: Natural, diamond side suit, not 3 spades. With a ♥ stopper I suppose ?

 

3♣: Natural, not 3 spades, no heart stopper.So, 2-2-4-5 or x-x-4-6 ?

3♦: Natural, not 3 spades, no heart stopper. So, x-x-5-6 ?

3♥: 18-19 balanced, no heart stopper.

 

And by inference :

 

1♣ 1♥/♠

2NT

 

= 18-19 No ♦ side suit and ♠/♥ stopper ?

 

 

Alain

[Walddk]

So, Roland, is it like that ?

 

Example 1:

2N: Natural, diamond side suit, not 3 hearts. With a ♠ stopper I suppose ?

3♣: Natural, not 3 hearts, no spade stopper. So, 2-2-4-5 or x-x-4-6 ?

3♦: Natural, not 3 hearts, no spade stopper. So, x-x-5-6 ?

3♥: 3-card support, strong club suit.

3♠: 18-19 balanced, no spade stopper.

 

Example 2:

2♠: 3-card support, strong club suit.

2N: Natural, diamond side suit, not 3 spades. With a ♥ stopper I suppose ?

 

3♣: Natural, not 3 spades, no heart stopper.So, 2-2-4-5 or x-x-4-6 ?

3♦: Natural, not 3 spades, no heart stopper. So, x-x-5-6 ?

3♥: 18-19 balanced, no heart stopper.

 

And by inference :

 

1♣ 1♥/♠

2NT

 

= 18-19 No ♦ side suit and ♠/♥ stopper ?

 

 

Alain

Example 1:

1. Yes. Natural means a spade stopper.

 

2. No. 3♣ denies a diamond side suit (3♦).

 

3. No. 3♦ shows 4-5, 4-6 or 5-6 in diamonds and clubs.

 

Example2:

1. Yes. Natural means a heart stopper.

 

2. Same as above (no diamond side suit).

 

3. Same as above (diamond side suit).

 

The continuation is all very natural and logical.

 

And as to your inference:

Yes. Unless I have decided to open 1♣ with 4-4 in the minors. I prefer that actually.

 

Roland

[inquiry]

3♣ is a serious underbid

I missed this interesting thread while I was out of town, thanks Roland for pointing it out today.

 

First, let me disagree with your quoted statement. Many of us play a jump to three of a minor like this (1c-1h-3c) shows exactly this hand.. strong six card minor, strong three card support, good hand. This keeps us from inviting a reverse in a singleton suit.

 

Having said that, I do in fact, play a manufactered reverse similar to what you are describing. But I do it a bit differently than you. First, I define this auction

 

1D-1M-3C as weak with 5-5 in the minors

 

Next I defind 1C-1M-2D both 1D-1M-2C as "forcing" (well forcing is bit strong). To keep it short, lets just deal with the "reverse" for now... For me, 2D can be...

 

1) A strong club one suiter without three card support (see 1C-1M-3C above)

2) A balanced 18-bad 20hcp, planning on rebidding 2NT (I use 2NT as forcing M raise)

3) A strongish two suiter not suitable for my "transfer preempt" opening bid that can include strong two suiters

4) A strong hand with strong 3 card support, unusuited for the jump to 3C

 

Since I play 1D-1M-2C pretty much the same way, there is also no need to create a reverse in a three card major.

 

The responding scheme I use is based losely upon rubenshol...

 

Ben

[Al_U_Card]

Without this or other esoteric agreements in place, how about 1S? When pard continues, you can bid on as you see fit, at a level that neither misses a game nor gets you beyond the right level for pard's hand. Science does not necessarily preclude judgement...... :P