nekthen Posted May 17, 2020 Report Share Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) [hv=pc=n&n=sjhkt632d4ckqj972]133|100[/hv] 5 card major strong no trump Dealer North All NV Edited May 17, 2020 by nekthen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted May 17, 2020 Report Share Posted May 17, 2020 [hv=pc=n&n=sjhkt632d4ckqj972]133|100[/hv] 5 card major strong no trump Opening at the one level seems obvious unless you are playing Roth Stone or some such I would open 1 Heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 17, 2020 Report Share Posted May 17, 2020 Position? I guess we are green. Anyway, in 1st or 2nd I go with pass.If I cant pass, I go with 1C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidKok Posted May 17, 2020 Report Share Posted May 17, 2020 1♥ for me, but only because I have discussed this with my partner. The reasoning: pass is right out in my opinion. Somebody is holding the spades, and it's not me. The auction is likely to become very lively very soon, and I need all the time possible to describe my hand. So get in now, you won't get many more chances.1♣ is the normal bid with a 6/5 hand, intending to bid hearts and then rebid them on the third round to show this shape. However (again due to missing the spades), I fear that third round bid might very well need to be 5♥, and you're simply not strong enough for something like that (in fact, even some conventional 4NT, demanding partner choose between your suits, might be too late). I really want to describe this weakish hand before somebody bids 4♠, and involve my partner in the decision to bid on. If my hand was about an ace stronger I would take this risk though, and open 1♣.1♥ is all that is left. It is an unpleasant bid to make, and I am planning on bidding clubs (perhaps with a jump), and if possible rebidding them again to show 5/5 shape. Because of the general weakness of my hand I predict I won't get the chance to inform partner about my sixth club, and I'm cutting my losses right on the first round of the auction. It is a tragedy that my clubs are so much better than my hearts (so I'm not just going to lie about my shape, but also about the general placement of my points), but I feel I can live with it if partner plays a heart towards my KTxxx. Without partnership agreements I think there is much to be said for 'misleading' partner in the other direction, opening 1♣ intending to introduce the hearts and then rebidding clubs on the third round, presenting this hand as a 4/6. Some asides: if the 2 of hearts instead was the ace, or if the hearts and spades are flipped, I would open 1♣. This time there is no problem: if I have the spades I simply take out their 4♥ with 4♠, and if I have the strong hand (between 4.5 and 3 losers. With 2.5 and fewer we open strong 2♣) I can bid 4NT on most auctions to show a wild two-suiter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBengtsson Posted May 17, 2020 Report Share Posted May 17, 2020 Open 3♣vul/non vul. No defense. Ops will have ♠, if you and p have ♥. pass and open at one level are marginal. it is a bum hand to rebid. 3♣ may not be good bid but some time I like give the ops guess here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted May 17, 2020 Report Share Posted May 17, 2020 I open 1♣, swap the honours in the two suits I'd be more inclined to open 1♥. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 17, 2020 Report Share Posted May 17, 2020 I once had a Polish partner who wanted us to play sound Polish 2-openings so you can open this kind of hands without getting in troubles opposite a misfitting 12-count. Without that agreement, I would open at the 1-level. I have a mild preference for 1♣, I think, but obviously either could work or not. Playing an Acol or Goren style, maybe 1♥ is a bit less attractive as you have to rebid a non-forcing 2♥ over a 2♦ response. But that's of course a rather marginal issue. So basically the dilemma is the same in every system that has a (semi)natural 1♣ opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 Tough one. If I open 1H, I'm well-placed unless I hear 2D, in which case I have to rebid my hearts (but that's fairly typical, would be the same even if I was 5-5). The risk is then that partner leaves me in 2H when we make four, but he'll only do that with an absolute minimum 2D response, and given my lack of aces and the fact partner's diamond honours are likely to be useless, this isn't much of a risk. If I open 1C then I am nowhere near good enough to reverse into 2H over a 1S response - although the clubs are more than good enough to rebid, I haven't shown that I have even one heart, let alone five! If partner responds 1D, I could get the shape across nicely after something like 1C-1D; 1H-something; 2H. Mainly we should be looking to get to 4H. Particularly if playing Walsh, the risk of it going 1C-1S and it becoming too hard to find 4H means that - I think - opening 1H offers the best chance of that. It certainly allows partner to get into the right mindset much easier if he holds three hearts. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 I once had a Polish partner who wanted us to play sound Polish 2-openings so you can open this kind of hands without getting in troubles opposite a misfitting 12-count.2♦ Wilkosz FTW :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerriman Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 This is awful. I've changed my vote about 4 times and I still have no idea what to do.. If partner has 2 hearts, opening 1♥ will likely turn into a disaster, because even though I can keep bidding clubs over all of the spade / diamond bids that will surely follow, partner is almost surely going to preference me back to a 5-2 heart fit which I don't want to be in. If partner has 3 hearts, opening 1♣ will likely never result in a heart contract; my hearts and general hand don't seem good enough to keep reversing into hearts over whatever level of spades the bidding is at next time round. On the other hand, even if partner does have hearts we're likely to be outbid. So currently I think I'm going to ignore the hearts and treat this as a one suited club hand. Given that, and the fact my clubs are so much better, maybe 3♣ is worth considering after all.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidKok Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 A lot of people seem to be worried about partner bidding 2♦ over 1♥, or 1♠ over 1♣. But there are two more players who get to bid before it is your turn again, and I'm much more worried about them! We have only 10 points and great shape, I expect the opponents to have pretty similar hands. If it goes 1♥-(Pass)-2♦-(Pass)-2♥-(Pass)-? I am completely satisfied - we have bid systematically and my partner should be able to make a clever bid. I'm much more afraid of something like 1♣-(1♠)-2♦-(3♣*)-3♥-(4♠)-Pass-(Pass)-? and now it is your move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo1201 Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 I bid 1C. If partner turns out with S, I’ll bid H twice and partner knows I can be a little light. Well, not that much usually, but my C are so much better... With KQJxx KTxxxx, I’d open 1H. If LHO bids S and partner can’t place a neg X on that, I’m « losing » the H without strong regrets. The 53 fit might not play too well given my suit texture, and anyway H and C play at the same level over S. And if they bid D, I’ll be able to introduce my H’s cheaply. Still, opening 1H fearing the reverse will get us too high, or passing to bid some kind of conventional 2-suiter later are not horrible bids. And any might prove the right call on a given deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 Tough one. If I open 1H, I'm well-placed unless I hear 2D, in which case I have to rebid my hearts (but that's fairly typical, would be the same even if I was 5-5). The risk is then that partner leaves me in 2H when we make four, but he'll only do that with an absolute minimum 2D response, and given my lack of aces and the fact partner's diamond honours are likely to be useless, this isn't much of a risk. If I open 1C then I am nowhere near good enough to reverse into 2H over a 1S response - although the clubs are more than good enough to rebid, I haven't shown that I have even one heart, let alone five! If partner responds 1D, I could get the shape across nicely after something like 1C-1D; 1H-something; 2H. Mainly we should be looking to get to 4H. Particularly if playing Walsh, the risk of it going 1C-1S and it becoming too hard to find 4H means that - I think - opening 1H offers the best chance of that. It certainly allows partner to get into the right mindset much easier if he holds three hearts. ahydra 1♥-1♠-2♣-2♥ isn't a barrel of laughs either with partner 5152. I think it also matters if partner will bypass a diamond suit to bid spades over 1♣, that would favour opening 1♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidKok Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 1♥-1♠-2♣-2♥ isn't a barrel of laughs either with partner 5152. I think it also matters if partner will bypass a diamond suit to bid spades over 1♣, that would favour opening 1♥. That's laying it on a bit thick. Just because we have 5/6 does not mean partner has 5/5 in the other two suits, and I think it is a waste of bidding space to base our decisions on this kind of pessimism. I'll happily take a bad result against these distributions if it means I get an edge in competitive auctions, where partner can support one of my two suits. With two opponents and one partner, isn't one of the two more likely to hold long spades (or long diamonds), let's say at 2:1 odds? So after your opening bid the bidding comes around at you and they've braved their way to 3♠ or so. How do you best prepare to involve partner in the decision on their 4♠, 4♦ or even 5♦? The last time I held a big hand like this (I held the clubs and the spades that time) opps were in 4♥ by the time I got to bid again, and I managed to steal the contact in 5♠X making, with the best double dummy result being 7♠X-2 (their 7♥ made). I think the opening bid should be the first move to best involve partner in these high stakes decision, because this is shaping up to be big swing game. And you can take all the games with silent opponents and partner giving a preference at the two level in exchange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nudnikbp Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 One club. One heart could work better, but I haven't had good luck with distorting suit length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 That's laying it on a bit thick. Just because we have 5/6 does not mean partner has 5/5 in the other two suits, and I think it is a waste of bidding space to base our decisions on this kind of pessimism. I'll happily take a bad result against these distributions if it means I get an edge in competitive auctions, where partner can support one of my two suits. With two opponents and one partner, isn't one of the two more likely to hold long spades (or long diamonds), let's say at 2:1 odds? So after your opening bid the bidding comes around at you and they've braved their way to 3♠ or so. How do you best prepare to involve partner in the decision on their 4♠, 4♦ or even 5♦? The last time I held a big hand like this (I held the clubs and the spades that time) opps were in 4♥ by the time I got to bid again, and I managed to steal the contact in 5♠X making, with the best double dummy result being 7♠X-2 (their 7♥ made). I think the opening bid should be the first move to best involve partner in these high stakes decision, because this is shaping up to be big swing game. And you can take all the games with silent opponents and partner giving a preference at the two level in exchange. We can run into this opposite a 5143/5242/5233 7 count as we play 2♣ forcing unless you didn't really have a response. I was just saying a 2♦ response wasn't the only issue with opening 1♥. We theoretically don't distort suit lengths, and have had terrible results every time we have done. Clubs and spades are COMPLETELY different, would you have bid 5♥ over 4♠ ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenikki Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 [hv=pc=n&n=sjhkt632d4ckqj972]133|100[/hv] 5 card major strong no trump Dealer North All NV None of the bidders have planned what they will do when their partner's double of 5♠ is redoubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 None of the bidders have planned what they will do when their partner's double of 5♠ is redoubled. I, personally, will say to myself "Bridge is a game of percentages".Guess I'm going to get a bad result today Probably won't be the last 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidKok Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 We can run into this opposite a 5143/5242/5233 7 count as we play 2♣ forcing unless you didn't really have a response. I was just saying a 2♦ response wasn't the only issue with opening 1♥. We theoretically don't distort suit lengths, and have had terrible results every time we have done. Clubs and spades are COMPLETELY different, would you have bid 5♥ over 4♠ ? Why do you insist on giving partner 5 spades? That is exactly the convenient assumption. I agree that spades and clubs are completely different than hearts and clubs. In fact, a number of posts up I said I would open this hand 1♥, but if my hearts and spades were swapped I would open 1♣ without a problem, precisely because I can bid 4♠ over a 4♥ from the opponents but I have to go up a level with the hand as given - and I want to involve my partner in that decision. I think with a 1♥ opening it is easier to show most of the features of this hand in a competitive auction (again, as I said before). None of the bidders have planned what they will do when their partner's double of 5♠ is redoubled. Could you give the full auction? If you have shown you are bidding primarily on shape partner should not double without good reason. Depending on what happened so far he will be expecting 0, 0.5 or maybe even 1 defensive trick in your hand, and you need to respond differently in these cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 I pass. I’ve read all the comments about opening and what struck me was how much everyone dreads most foreseeable developments. That’s not surprising. We hold an ace less 10 count. Some are proposing to open 1H and rebid that weak, short suit over a 2D response, thus eliminating any real hope of ever finding a good club contract unless partner has at least 4 of them, and risking a high level heart contract in an inadequate fit. Others open 1C and bury the heart suit over a 1S response. And don’t get me started on the poster who planned to open 1H and perhaps jumpshift in clubs. Opening this hand is an invitation to a disaster. Since actively inviting disaster is rarely a smart move, one should perhaps consider passing The auction could, obviously, time out poorly, and passing is no assurance of a successful auction. However, it does one huge, important thing: it tells partner we don’t have a lot of hcp. Meanwhile, on many auctions, where the ops are bidding, we can make an intelligent call on our next turn Thus P (1d) P (1S)....I’d bid 2N here (not 1N, because I want partner to know I have extra shape). There are too many possible auctions to spell out how I’d intend to bid and, yes, some of them will make me wish I’d opened. However, passing leads, in my view, to far fewer and generally less severe self-inflicted wounds than dies guessing which distortion to make by opening or on the next round. The main problem with my plan is that my bidding will make it easier for the opps to declare, should they outbid us. However, on the flip side, were I to open, and the opps declare, partner may do all kinds of terrible things. He may double a cold contract, playing us for some defence. He may over-bid in hearts, playing us for a better suit. On other sequences, he may drive to 3N, and find we provide neither tricks nor entry. He may simply get us too high, and so on. Pass may be old-fashioned, and I’d definitely open if playing a strong club method, but I don’t generally play that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas43 Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 Possibly influenced by mainly playing Acol, but prefer 1C if we open. If it's our hand, 3NT might play better than a 5-3 heart fit. And if it's their hand at least I've indicated a lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 I pass. I’ve read all the comments about opening and what struck me was how much everyone dreads most foreseeable developments. That’s not surprising. There is a lot of sense in this. I voted for 1C, but with no great enthusiasm and I have wavered between all three options. ... and I’d definitely open if playing a strong club method, but I don’t generally play that. But what would you open if playing a strong club? 1♥ presumably? It still might leave the club suit as unmentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullve Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 1♣. Looks systemic even in standard 2/1 GF with its slightly conservative rule of 20 openings. Is 1♣ really an invitation to disaster? Here 1. J 9 K T 8 6 5 3 A Q 7 4 2 K T 6 3 2 Q 5 4 9 7 A J 8 4 A K T 9 7 5 Q 6 J 8 3 2 K Q J 9 7 2 T 5 3 A 8 6 4 2. J K T 6 2 A Q 9 8 3 7 5 4 K T 6 3 2 7 5 A 9 8 4 Q J 4 A J 5 3 Q T K 9 8 7 6 2 K Q J 9 7 2 A 8 5 T 4 6 3 3. J Q 9 T 8 7 4 2 A K 6 5 3 K T 6 3 2 9 8 7 4 Q J A 5 4 K T 7 5 Q J 9 8 3 A 6 2 K Q J 9 7 2 A T 6 4 8 5 3 4. J K 9 5 4 Q 8 3 2 A T 7 6 K T 6 3 2 A 9 4 Q 8 5 J 7 4 8 6 2 A Q J T K 9 7 5 3 K Q J 9 7 2 T 6 3 8 5 A 4 5. J K Q 7 5 4 3 T 8 6 2 A 9 K T 6 3 2 Q 8 4 7 A J 9 5 4 K Q J A 9 8 6 5 2 T 7 3 K Q J 9 7 2 3 T 4 A 8 6 5 6. J K T 7 5 8 6 3 A Q 9 4 2 K T 6 3 2 A 9 4 Q J 8 7 5 4 A Q T 9 7 6 2 8 5 3 K J K Q J 9 7 2 - A T 6 5 4 3 8 7. J 9 4 K Q T 6 5 A 8 7 3 2 K T 6 3 2 A Q 9 8 5 7 4 J 4 J 7 6 5 K Q T A 9 8 3 2 K Q J 9 7 2 6 4 8 5 3 A T 8. J 7 5 2 K T 9 8 4 3 A Q 6 K T 6 3 2 J 9 5 7 A Q 8 4 4 J T 9 7 2 A Q 6 K 8 5 3 K Q J 9 7 2 T 3 A 5 4 8 6 9. J T 9 7 6 A K 3 2 Q 8 5 4 K T 6 3 2 A Q 8 4 9 7 J 5 4 K T 7 9 6 2 A Q J 8 5 3 K Q J 9 7 2 5 4 A T 8 3 6 10. J K Q 9 7 5 6 3 A T 8 4 2 K T 6 3 2 Q A 8 7 5 4 J 9 4 J 6 3 A Q T 9 2 K 8 7 5 K Q J 9 7 2 A T 6 3 4 8 5 11. J A K 5 Q 7 6 4 3 T 9 8 2 K T 6 3 2 A 7 Q 9 5 J 8 4 4 J 8 6 2 A K Q T 3 9 7 5 K Q J 9 7 2 A T 4 3 - 8 6 5 12. J K 8 3 2 A T 7 6 5 Q 9 4 K T 6 3 2 J Q 7 A 9 8 5 4 4 A K T 9 5 2 Q 8 7 J 6 3 K Q J 9 7 2 5 3 A 8 6 T 4 13. J A T 9 8 3 K 7 Q 6 5 4 2 K T 6 3 2 A Q J 8 5 9 7 4 4 T 9 5 Q J 7 6 3 2 A K 8 K Q J 9 7 2 4 A T 5 3 8 6 14. J A T 9 7 6 5 3 2 K Q 8 4 K T 6 3 2 A 8 4 Q 9 7 J 5 4 T 8 7 2 A K 5 3 Q J 9 6 K Q J 9 7 2 6 3 A 8 T 5 4 15. J T 8 7 5 4 9 6 A K Q 3 2 K T 6 3 2 Q 7 4 J 9 8 A 5 4 A 9 5 Q J T 8 7 2 K 6 3 K Q J 9 7 2 A 8 5 4 T 6 3 16. J A 9 8 6 4 K Q 7 T 5 3 2 K T 6 3 2 9 Q 8 A J 7 5 4 4 A K J 8 7 Q 9 6 5 3 2 T K Q J 9 7 2 8 4 A T 6 5 3 17. J Q 9 6 4 2 A K T 8 7 5 3 K T 6 3 2 8 7 4 A Q J 9 5 4 A T 9 7 Q J 6 5 3 K 8 2 K Q J 9 7 2 8 5 4 - A T 6 3 18. J K 7 6 A T 8 5 4 2 Q 9 3 K T 6 3 2 A 7 9 8 5 Q J 4 4 A K Q 9 8 7 T 5 J 6 3 2 K Q J 9 7 2 T 6 A 8 5 4 3 19. J T 7 6 5 Q 8 4 2 A K 9 3 K T 6 3 2 A 8 Q 5 J 9 7 4 4 A K Q 3 2 J 8 5 T 9 7 6 K Q J 9 7 2 6 4 A 8 5 3 T 20. J 8 7 4 3 T 6 5 A K Q 9 2 K T 6 3 2 J 5 A 7 4 Q 9 8 4 K J 7 5 3 T 9 6 2 A Q 8 K Q J 9 7 2 5 4 T 6 3 A 8 21. J A T 6 4 K Q 3 9 8 7 5 2 K T 6 3 2 Q 8 7 9 4 A J 5 4 Q 7 K J 9 8 6 2 A T 5 3 K Q J 9 7 2 A 6 5 4 T 3 8 22. J A Q 6 5 K 8 T 9 7 4 3 2 K T 6 3 2 A 8 7 5 J 9 4 Q 4 A K 8 Q 7 6 5 3 2 J T 9 K Q J 9 7 2 T 6 8 3 A 5 4 23. J K A T 8 6 5 3 Q 9 7 4 2 K T 6 3 2 A Q J 8 9 7 4 5 4 K T 9 8 7 5 A J 3 Q 6 2 K Q J 9 7 2 T 4 6 A 8 5 3 24. J K A 8 7 5 3 2 Q T 9 6 4 K T 6 3 2 A Q 8 4 J 5 9 7 4 K Q 9 8 7 3 T 2 A J 6 5 K Q J 9 7 2 T 4 A 6 5 8 3 25. J T 3 K 9 8 5 4 A Q 7 6 2 K T 6 3 2 A Q J 9 8 7 4 5 4 K T 9 A 7 6 3 Q J 8 5 2 K Q J 9 7 2 T 5 4 3 A 8 6 26. J 9 6 3 2 K T 4 A Q 8 7 5 K T 6 3 2 A 9 8 7 Q J 5 4 4 J 9 6 Q 8 5 2 A K T 7 3 K Q J 9 7 2 5 4 A T 8 6 3 27. J A K 9 Q 8 6 3 2 T 7 5 4 K T 6 3 2 5 4 A Q 7 J 9 8 4 Q J 9 3 T 5 2 A K 8 7 6 K Q J 9 7 2 A 6 5 3 8 4 T 28. J K 9 7 2 A Q 6 3 T 8 5 4 K T 6 3 2 A 9 Q 8 7 5 4 J 4 K T 8 A 6 3 Q J 9 7 5 2 K Q J 9 7 2 A 6 4 3 8 T 5 29. J A T 6 2 Q 9 7 5 3 K 8 4 K T 6 3 2 A 9 8 J 7 4 Q 5 4 A K Q 9 T 6 2 J 8 7 5 3 K Q J 9 7 2 T 8 5 3 A 6 4 30. J Q 9 T 8 7 5 4 3 A K 6 2 K T 6 3 2 A 9 5 Q J 8 7 4 4 K J 8 6 A Q 2 T 9 7 5 3 K Q J 9 7 2 T 6 5 3 4 A 8 31. J T 8 3 9 7 6 5 2 A K Q 4 K T 6 3 2 9 5 A Q 8 J 7 4 4 A Q T 9 6 K 8 J 7 5 3 2 K Q J 9 7 2 A T 5 8 6 3 4 32. J K Q T 8 5 A 6 4 2 9 7 3 K T 6 3 2 Q J 8 7 A 4 9 5 4 A J 6 9 7 5 3 K Q T 8 2 K Q J 9 7 2 A T 8 3 6 5 4 33. J K 9 3 A Q T 8 2 7 6 5 4 K T 6 3 2 A J 9 8 4 7 5 Q 4 K Q 8 9 6 5 A J T 7 3 2 K Q J 9 7 2 A 5 8 4 3 T 6 34. J 9 6 2 A K Q 8 5 3 T 7 4 K T 6 3 2 A 8 7 J 5 4 Q 9 4 Q J 9 7 3 2 A K T 8 6 5 K Q J 9 7 2 T 6 4 A 8 5 3 35. J Q 5 A 9 6 4 2 K T 8 7 3 K T 6 3 2 8 7 5 4 Q 9 A J 4 A K Q J 9 2 8 6 T 7 5 3 K Q J 9 7 2 4 A T 6 3 8 5 36. J 5 2 K 8 4 A Q T 9 7 6 3 K T 6 3 2 A Q 4 J 9 8 5 7 4 J 3 K Q T 6 5 A 9 8 7 2 K Q J 9 7 2 A T 6 5 4 3 8 - 37. J 9 5 4 A K 8 6 2 Q T 7 3 K T 6 3 2 A Q 5 4 8 J 9 7 4 J 9 2 K T 8 7 6 5 A Q 3 K Q J 9 7 2 A 4 3 8 T 6 5 38. J A K 3 8 7 6 5 4 Q T 9 2 K T 6 3 2 A Q J 9 8 7 4 5 4 A K 5 Q J T 9 3 8 7 6 2 K Q J 9 7 2 4 3 T A 8 6 5 39. J 9 7 6 5 4 A K Q T 8 3 2 K T 6 3 2 8 A 9 5 4 Q J 7 4 J T 9 5 3 A K Q 8 7 6 2 K Q J 9 7 2 T 8 3 A 5 6 4 40. J K Q 9 8 7 6 2 - A T 5 4 3 K T 6 3 2 A 9 8 7 5 4 Q J 4 7 5 2 K T 8 6 3 A Q J 9 K Q J 9 7 2 8 4 A 5 3 T 6 41. J A K 8 4 3 9 7 6 5 Q T 2 K T 6 3 2 J 5 A Q 8 9 7 4 4 K 8 7 2 Q J T 3 A 9 6 5 K Q J 9 7 2 6 5 4 3 A T 8 42. J A T 7 6 9 8 3 2 K Q 5 4 K T 6 3 2 8 7 5 A J 4 Q 9 4 A 6 2 T 8 5 3 K Q J 9 7 K Q J 9 7 2 T 6 5 A 8 4 3 43. J A Q 6 4 K 9 8 7 5 3 T 2 K T 6 3 2 Q J 7 5 A 9 8 4 4 K J 6 5 2 A Q 9 8 3 T 7 K Q J 9 7 2 8 3 A T 6 5 4 44. J 9 K Q T 8 7 A 6 5 4 3 2 K T 6 3 2 A 9 5 4 8 7 Q J 4 A K Q 8 6 5 7 3 2 J T 9 K Q J 9 7 2 T 4 A 8 3 6 5 45. J K T 9 3 2 A 8 Q 7 6 5 4 K T 6 3 2 J 5 A Q 9 8 7 4 - 4 T 6 2 9 5 A K Q J 8 7 3 K Q J 9 7 2 A T 3 8 6 4 5 46. J A Q 5 8 7 6 3 2 K T 9 4 K T 6 3 2 Q 8 5 4 7 A J 9 4 K 7 2 Q J 9 5 3 A T 8 6 K Q J 9 7 2 6 4 3 A 8 T 5 47. J T 8 7 6 9 5 2 A K Q 4 3 K T 6 3 2 J 4 Q 9 8 5 A 7 4 J 9 8 5 2 A T 6 3 K Q 7 K Q J 9 7 2 T 4 5 3 A 8 6 48. J A K T 7 5 Q 6 9 8 4 3 2 K T 6 3 2 9 8 7 A Q 5 4 J 4 A T 9 8 6 3 2 K Q J 7 5 K Q J 9 7 2 6 A 8 4 3 T 5 49. J Q T 5 A K 8 6 4 2 9 7 3 K T 6 3 2 Q 7 5 J 4 A 9 8 4 A T 8 2 K J 9 5 Q 7 6 3 K Q J 9 7 2 6 5 3 4 A T 8 50. J 9 8 5 4 2 7 6 3 A K Q T K T 6 3 2 A 9 Q 8 7 J 5 4 4 9 3 2 A K Q J 6 T 8 7 5 K Q J 9 7 2 T 5 4 8 6 A 3 51. J A K T 7 6 5 Q 9 3 2 8 4 K T 6 3 2 A J 7 9 Q 8 5 4 4 J 5 A 9 8 7 6 K Q T 3 2 K Q J 9 7 2 A 5 8 4 3 T 6 52. J A T 9 7 6 4 3 2 K Q 8 5 K T 6 3 2 8 7 4 A Q J 9 5 4 Q 9 J T 8 6 5 2 A K 7 3 K Q J 9 7 2 A 5 T 8 6 4 3 53. J T 7 5 4 K Q 6 3 2 A 9 8 K T 6 3 2 A Q 7 4 J 9 8 5 4 J 9 2 K 8 7 6 5 A Q T 3 K Q J 9 7 2 4 3 T 5 A 8 6 54. J A 7 5 3 2 K T 6 4 Q 9 8 K T 6 3 2 J 9 4 Q 7 5 A 8 4 Q 9 8 2 A J 7 3 K T 6 5 K Q J 9 7 2 8 5 4 A T 6 3 55. J A K Q 8 6 T 4 3 9 7 5 2 K T 6 3 2 Q 8 A J 9 7 5 4 4 A T 9 3 Q J 8 7 5 K 6 2 K Q J 9 7 2 5 3 A T 8 6 4 56. J K Q 8 3 A 7 6 T 9 5 4 2 K T 6 3 2 8 5 Q 9 7 4 A J 4 K J T 9 7 8 6 5 A Q 3 2 K Q J 9 7 2 8 5 A 6 3 T 4 57. J 7 5 3 K Q T 8 2 A 9 6 4 K T 6 3 2 Q 8 7 4 A J 9 5 4 J T 3 2 9 5 A K Q 8 7 6 K Q J 9 7 2 T 8 6 4 3 A 5 58. J Q 7 3 2 A 9 4 K T 8 6 5 K T 6 3 2 Q 9 8 7 A J 4 5 4 A Q 9 5 J 7 2 K T 8 6 3 K Q J 9 7 2 A T 8 5 4 6 3 59. J T 8 7 5 A K Q 4 2 9 6 3 K T 6 3 2 Q J 9 7 4 A 8 5 4 J T 6 A K 8 7 5 Q 9 3 2 K Q J 9 7 2 A T 5 4 8 6 3 60. J 9 8 5 T 2 A K Q 7 6 4 3 K T 6 3 2 A J Q 8 7 5 9 4 4 K 9 2 Q J 6 5 3 A T 8 7 K Q J 9 7 2 A T 6 5 4 8 3 - 61. J K Q 9 7 8 6 5 A T 4 3 2 K T 6 3 2 Q 9 4 A J 8 7 5 4 T 3 A K Q J 8 7 5 9 6 2 K Q J 9 7 2 T 8 5 3 A 6 4 62. J A 7 5 3 K T 9 6 4 Q 8 2 K T 6 3 2 J 5 4 8 A Q 9 7 4 Q 9 8 7 5 K 6 A J T 3 2 K Q J 9 7 2 8 T 6 5 4 3 A 63. J K Q T 3 A 5 2 9 8 7 6 4 K T 6 3 2 Q 8 J 9 5 A 7 4 4 K T 6 3 Q J 7 5 2 A 9 8 K Q J 9 7 2 5 4 3 A T 8 6 64. J A Q T 9 8 5 K 7 6 4 3 2 K T 6 3 2 J 7 5 9 8 A Q 4 4 A 9 5 2 K J T 7 Q 8 6 3 K Q J 9 7 2 A 8 6 4 3 T 5 - 65. J A Q T 6 K 8 7 5 3 9 4 2 K T 6 3 2 8 7 J A Q 9 5 4 4 A K J T 5 3 Q 9 7 8 6 2 K Q J 9 7 2 T A 8 5 4 6 3 66. J T 7 6 A K Q 9 8 5 4 3 2 K T 6 3 2 Q 9 8 A 5 J 7 4 4 A K T 3 2 Q J 6 5 9 8 7 K Q J 9 7 2 4 3 8 6 A T 5 67. J T 8 7 4 3 2 6 A K Q 9 5 K T 6 3 2 Q 9 A J 8 7 5 4 - 4 J 5 3 K Q 9 6 2 A T 8 7 K Q J 9 7 2 T 6 8 A 5 4 3 68. J 7 4 A K Q 9 6 3 T 8 5 2 K T 6 3 2 A Q J 9 8 7 5 4 - 4 K J T 9 7 5 Q A 8 6 3 2 K Q J 9 7 2 4 A 3 T 8 6 5 69. J T 5 A 7 6 4 K Q 9 8 3 2 K T 6 3 2 A J 9 Q 7 8 5 4 4 K T 8 6 A Q J 9 5 2 7 3 K Q J 9 7 2 8 6 5 4 T A 3 70. J T 9 4 A K 8 5 Q 7 6 3 2 K T 6 3 2 9 8 7 A J 5 Q 4 4 9 2 A K 7 6 5 Q J T 8 3 K Q J 9 7 2 A T 8 6 4 5 3 71. J A 8 6 5 Q T 9 7 3 K 4 2 K T 6 3 2 7 A 9 5 Q J 8 4 4 T 7 6 5 3 A Q 8 2 K J 9 K Q J 9 7 2 6 5 3 A T 8 4 72. J Q 5 8 6 3 2 A K T 9 7 4 K T 6 3 2 A Q J 9 8 4 7 5 4 A 9 6 J T 5 3 2 K Q 8 7 K Q J 9 7 2 A 8 6 4 5 3 T 73. J K 9 4 3 2 A Q T 6 5 8 7 K T 6 3 2 7 5 Q 9 8 A J 4 4 9 6 5 2 Q T A K J 8 7 3 K Q J 9 7 2 8 6 A 5 4 T 3 74. J T 6 5 3 2 A K 9 8 4 Q 7 K T 6 3 2 Q 8 7 A J 9 5 4 4 Q J T 8 A K 9 6 2 7 5 3 K Q J 9 7 2 4 - A T 8 6 5 3 75. J A Q 9 7 4 2 K 8 6 T 5 3 K T 6 3 2 A Q J 9 8 7 4 5 4 A J T 5 2 7 6 K Q 9 8 3 K Q J 9 7 2 8 6 4 A T 5 3 76. J K 8 7 T 6 5 4 A Q 9 3 2 K T 6 3 2 Q J 8 7 A 5 9 4 4 Q J 9 A T 8 3 2 K 7 6 5 K Q J 9 7 2 A 8 4 6 5 T 3 77. J A 8 7 5 Q T 3 2 K 9 6 4 K T 6 3 2 A 9 8 7 - Q J 5 4 4 A 8 6 3 K J 9 7 5 Q T 2 K Q J 9 7 2 A 8 6 4 3 T 5 78. J A T 2 Q 9 8 7 6 4 K 5 3 K T 6 3 2 A 8 5 Q J 9 7 4 4 A Q J 9 8 5 7 6 2 K T 3 K Q J 9 7 2 A 4 3 8 5 T 6 79. J A T 5 K 6 4 3 Q 9 8 7 2 K T 6 3 2 9 5 8 4 A Q J 7 4 A J T 8 6 3 K Q 9 7 5 2 K Q J 9 7 2 6 5 8 4 A T 3 80. J Q 2 A K T 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 K T 6 3 2 Q 9 8 7 4 - A J 5 4 K Q 7 2 A J 5 3 T 9 8 6 K Q J 9 7 2 6 4 A T 8 5 3 - 81. J T 7 A 9 6 K Q 8 5 4 3 2 K T 6 3 2 A J 8 Q 9 5 7 4 4 A 8 6 3 T 9 7 5 K Q J 2 K Q J 9 7 2 8 6 5 3 A T 4 - 82. J K 9 7 A T 8 4 3 2 Q 6 5 K T 6 3 2 Q J 9 8 5 4 A 7 4 K 8 5 3 2 A 7 Q J T 9 6 K Q J 9 7 2 A 6 5 4 T 8 3 83. J K 9 4 3 Q 7 5 2 A T 8 6 K T 6 3 2 9 5 A J 8 Q 7 4 4 J 7 5 2 Q T 8 3 A K 9 6 K Q J 9 7 2 8 6 5 T 4 A 3 84. J Q T 9 5 2 A 8 6 4 K 7 3 K T 6 3 2 J 7 5 A Q 9 8 4 4 5 J 8 7 A K Q T 9 6 3 2 K Q J 9 7 2 A 8 6 5 T 3 4 85. J Q T 7 3 K 9 6 A 8 5 4 2 K T 6 3 2 Q J 9 8 5 A 7 4 4 J 9 6 5 Q T 8 7 3 A K 2 K Q J 9 7 2 A 8 5 6 3 T 4 86. J A Q 4 2 9 8 7 3 K T 6 5 K T 6 3 2 J 9 5 4 A Q 8 7 - 4 A Q J 7 K 5 2 T 9 8 6 3 K Q J 9 7 2 6 5 4 A T 8 3 87. J 9 6 5 2 K T 4 A Q 8 7 3 K T 6 3 2 A 8 7 Q J 5 4 9 4 A 5 K 9 6 3 Q J T 8 7 2 K Q J 9 7 2 T 5 4 3 A 8 6 88. J 9 8 6 A K Q T 5 2 7 4 3 K T 6 3 2 Q 5 A 9 7 4 J 8 4 K J 7 5 2 Q 9 6 A T 8 3 K Q J 9 7 2 T 6 3 - A 8 5 4 89. J Q 5 3 2 A K 9 7 6 4 T 8 K T 6 3 2 Q 5 4 J 9 A 8 7 4 9 7 6 J 5 3 2 A K Q T 8 K Q J 9 7 2 A 8 6 3 T 5 4 90. J Q 3 A T 9 8 7 K 6 5 4 2 K T 6 3 2 A J 9 7 5 4 Q 8 4 A K J 8 6 5 2 Q T 9 7 3 K Q J 9 7 2 T 6 5 3 A 8 4 91. J Q 9 8 3 2 A 6 5 K T 7 4 K T 6 3 2 A 9 7 4 Q 5 J 8 4 Q J 6 2 K 9 7 5 A T 8 3 K Q J 9 7 2 - A 8 6 5 T 4 3 92. J Q 4 3 2 A T 9 8 K 7 6 5 K T 6 3 2 9 5 4 A Q J 8 7 4 K 8 A Q J 9 7 T 6 5 3 2 K Q J 9 7 2 A 8 4 3 6 5 T 93. J Q 9 8 A K 5 3 T 7 6 4 2 K T 6 3 2 A 8 5 4 Q J 9 7 4 K Q 8 7 6 5 3 A J 9 T 2 K Q J 9 7 2 4 A 8 6 5 T 3 94. J A K 7 3 2 8 6 5 4 Q T 9 K T 6 3 2 Q 8 7 A 9 4 J 5 4 T 7 2 A J 8 6 3 K Q 9 5 K Q J 9 7 2 6 3 4 A T 8 5 95. J Q T 7 6 2 K 9 5 3 A 8 4 K T 6 3 2 8 7 A Q 9 5 J 4 4 9 8 5 3 2 K 7 A Q J T 6 K Q J 9 7 2 5 A T 3 8 6 4 96. J 9 6 2 A T 7 4 K Q 8 5 3 K T 6 3 2 Q 9 5 A 8 7 4 J 4 K T 8 6 2 A 7 3 Q J 9 5 K Q J 9 7 2 4 3 A 8 T 6 5 97. J 8 7 K 9 6 A Q T 5 4 3 2 K T 6 3 2 A 4 Q J 9 8 7 5 - 4 K Q J T 9 5 2 6 3 A 8 7 K Q J 9 7 2 6 5 T 3 A 8 4 98. J A 9 5 K T 8 6 4 2 Q 7 3 K T 6 3 2 A J 8 5 Q 9 7 4 4 Q J 9 3 K T 7 A 8 6 5 2 K Q J 9 7 2 T 6 4 A 5 3 8 99. J K Q 4 T 8 7 6 5 2 A 9 3 K T 6 3 2 A Q 5 8 J 9 7 4 4 Q 8 6 5 3 A J T 2 K 9 7 K Q J 9 7 2 T 4 5 3 A 8 6 100. J A T Q 9 8 7 5 K 6 4 3 2 K T 6 3 2 A J 8 5 Q 9 7 4 4 K T 9 7 2 A Q 8 6 J 5 3 K Q J 9 7 2 6 5 3 T 8 4 A Generated 100 hands Produced 100 hands Initial random seed 1589812548 Time needed 0.001 sec are are some hands using the Dealer code predeal north SJ,HKT632,D4,CKQJ972 produce 100 action printall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamijd Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 Like Mike H., I pass -- no real second choice for me. 1. If we have a fit, so do the opponents. Thus, if the strength is anywhere close to evenly distributed, it should be easy enough to show this hand later, either with some sort of Michaels or unusual NT bid. 2. If we don't have a heart fit, opening 1H may well lead to a very bad score, because there will be no way to prevent partner from correcting clubs back to hearts. Opening 1C is less likely to lead to disaster, but quite likely to suppress a heart fit. 3. We have no defense whatsoever. God help us if partner doubles for penalty. 4. If someone put a gun to my head and forced me to open this hand playing standard 2/1 methods, I would open 3C NV, insane as it may look. 5. If playing a big club, I would treat this as a 6-4 hand and open 2C. Most big club systems allow for 6C/4M hands (certainly Meckwell does). The advantages are (i) I show my good club suit; (ii) I get some decent preemption, especially if partner can raise clubs. The only disadvantage occurs when partner has 3 hearts and a very good hand. If my partner has 4H and a good hand, we won't miss H, and if we have a heart fit but not a clear balance of power, the opponents likely have spades, so it doesn't matter which suit we bid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenikki Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 Why do you insist on giving partner 5 spades? That is exactly the convenient assumption. I agree that spades and clubs are completely different than hearts and clubs. In fact, a number of posts up I said I would open this hand 1♥, but if my hearts and spades were swapped I would open 1♣ without a problem, precisely because I can bid 4♠ over a 4♥ from the opponents but I have to go up a level with the hand as given - and I want to involve my partner in that decision. I think with a 1♥ opening it is easier to show most of the features of this hand in a competitive auction (again, as I said before). Could you give the full auction? If you have shown you are bidding primarily on shape partner should not double without good reason. Depending on what happened so far he will be expecting 0, 0.5 or maybe even 1 defensive trick in your hand, and you need to respond differently in these cases. There is no chance at all that, having opened at 1-level, you can inform partner that you lack defense. Unless you reserve an artificial bid. The full auction is irrelevant.. The bidders assume there will be fierce competitiion if you pass. In that case, there will be fierce competition if you open. In most such auctions, you will find yourself in a forcing-pass situation. It will never enter partner's worst nightmare that your hand will take no defensive trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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