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Playing a style of 2/1 where Opener's 2NT Rebid is 12-14 bal or 18-19 bal, obviously the bigger hand bids again.

With a doubleton in Responder's suit, it makes sense for Opener to rebid 4NT quant.

 

My question is, would 4, 4 and 4 over 3NT in this sequence show three card support for Responder's minor and a slammish 18-19 bal hand?

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It seems logical to me playing this 2NT rebid style, but I've never read/talked about it, and I usually play a different structure.

 

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I'd argue that opposite 18-19 bal with 5332 shape and no major fit the most likely slam is 6NT even if you have a 5-3 fit in a minor, so I'd probably interpret this as a general cue bid, neither promising nor denying diamond support. Also I think this two-way 2NT is a bit shifty - the bidding is already GF, and now opener needs to introduce artificial bids at the 4-level to show his strength. Normally 2/1 avoids this, bidding slowly with strong hands.
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Playing a style of 2/1 where Opener's 2NT Rebid is 12-14 bal or 18-19 bal, obviously the bigger hand bids again.

With a doubleton in Responder's suit, it makes sense for Opener to rebid 4NT quant.

 

My question is, would 4, 4 and 4 over 3NT in this sequence show three card support for Responder's minor and a slammish 18-19 bal hand?

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It seems logical to me playing this 2NT rebid style, but I've never read/talked about it, and I usually play a different structure.

 

Thanks

 

1 [hearts 2[dia

3NT : 18-19 with 2cards

 

1 2

2NT. 3Nt

4NT : 18-19 with 3cards

4 : 18-19 with 4cards

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I'd argue that opposite 18-19 bal with 5332 shape and no major fit the most likely slam is 6NT even if you have a 5-3 fit in a minor, so I'd probably interpret this as a general cue bid, neither promising nor denying diamond support. Also I think this two-way 2NT is a bit shifty - the bidding is already GF, and now opener needs to introduce artificial bids at the 4-level to show his strength. Normally 2/1 avoids this, bidding slowly with strong hands.

 

I was taught to respond 2NT as 12-14 and 3NT as 18-19 (17+ over 1M).

Not sure what disadvantages this has compared to a two-way scheme, the advantage of clarity is obvious.

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I was taught to respond 2NT as 12-14 and 3NT as 18-19 (17+ over 1M).

Not sure what disadvantages this has compared to a two-way scheme, the advantage of clarity is obvious.

I would have said the advantages of going slow were fairly obvious also - eg what if responder has heart support and was planning to make a delayed raise of 3 then start a cuebidding sequence? If the right spot is no-trumps, you can always show your strength later; if not, you get the extra room to find it.

 

A poll was done on the 3NT bid at BW a couple of years ago - far and away the most popular option (45%) was a 15-17 that wasn't suitable for 1N, with 28% voting for 18-19 options, 12% saying never bid it, and 8% some form of minimum. Many of the voters / commenters who voted for it showing 18-19 said they'd still go the 2NT - 4NT route for suitable 18-19 hands.

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Playing a style of 2/1 where Opener's 2NT Rebid is 12-14 bal or 18-19 bal, obviously the bigger hand bids again.

With a doubleton in Responder's suit, it makes sense for Opener to rebid 4NT quant.

 

My question is, would 4, 4 and 4 over 3NT in this sequence show three card support for Responder's minor and a slammish 18-19 bal hand?

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My preference that these show shape in a (semi)balanced hands. E.g. if you are 2524, you get a much more defined auction if you first bid 2N and then follow-up with 4C. If you start with 3C, and partner bids 3 (which he often has to do on a doubleton), then what next?

4D would show 3-card support.

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1 2

3NT : 18-19 with 2cards

 

1 2

2NT. 3Nt

4NT : 18-19 with 3cards

4 : 18-19 with 4cards

 

That looks playable!

The players who use the structure used Opener's Jump-3NT rebid for something else, but this makes a lot of sense.

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