nige1 Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 I agree kickback is superior, but minorwood is less prone to mishaps.Btw - I would not suggest playing kickback or minorwood as a beginner or intermediate - if your memory can tolerate additional conventions, there are more important (i.e. occurring more frequently for more gain) conventions to try. If a partnership like simple, consistent, memorable methods, then they should consider Keycard Gerber. If possible, in context, over a natural suit bid or when a suit is agreed, 4♣ is initially Keycard Gerber. It sets the obvious suit as trumps. But it has RKC replies and continuations i.e.4♦ = 0/3 keycards. Then 4♥ asks for trump Q, 4NT for Ks.4♥ = 1/4 keycards. Then 4♠ asks for trump Q, 4NT for Ks.4♠ = 2 keycards. Then 4N asks for Ks.4NT = 2 keycards + trump Q. Then 5N asks for Ks.When available, this replaces 4N (RKC), to which you can assign some other meaning. A disappointed Keycard Gerber bidder can sign-off in a minor-suit game (or 4♠, sometimes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerriman Posted May 2, 2020 Report Share Posted May 2, 2020 If a partnership like simple, consistent, memorable methods, I prefer "4C is not Gerber" ;) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted May 2, 2020 Report Share Posted May 2, 2020 If a partnership like simple, consistent, memorable methods, then they should consider Keycard Gerber. If possible, in context, over a natural suit bid or when a suit is agreed, 4♣ is initially Keycard Gerber. It sets the obvious suit as trumps. But it has RKC replies and continuations i.e.4♦ = 0/3 keycards. Then 4♥ asks for trump Q, 4NT for Ks.4♥ = 1/4 keycards. Then 4♠ asks for trump Q, 4NT for Ks.4♠ = 2 keycards. Then 4N asks for Ks.4NT = 2 keycards + trump Q. Then 5N asks for Ks.When available, this replaces 4N (RKC), to which you can assign some other meaning. A disappointed Keycard Gerber bidder can sign-off in a minor-suit game (or 4♠, sometimes). I don't like the idea of generalising this to situations where a suit is agreed, it gets in the way and clubs could usefully mean something else.But playing 4♣ over any 2 or 3 level preempt of ♦♥♠ as a RKCB fixing trumps makes a lot of sense (over 3♣ use 4♦ instead).I call this 'Preempt Kickback' (to emphasise the distinction from the similar but superfluous and misleadingly named convention 'Preempt RKCB'). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted May 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2020 I don't like the idea of generalising this to situations where a suit is agreed, it gets in the way and clubs could usefully mean something else.But playing 4♣ over any 2 or 3 level preempt of ♦♥♠ as a RKCB fixing trumps makes a lot of sense (over 3♣ use 4♦ instead).I call this 'Preempt Kickback' (to emphasise the distinction from the similar but superfluous and misleadingly named convention 'Preempt RKCB'). The conventional use of a call deprives us of other natural and conventional meanings for the call. Whether some of them may be more effective, is a matter of judgement. SMerriman and Pescetom may well be right.Over pre-empts, for me, It would be simple and consistent to play Keycard Gerber. But my partners prefer Half-key Gerber, where the steps are 4♦ = ART Trump Q or less.4♥ = ART 1 keycard.4♠ = ART Trump Q + 1 keycard.4N = ART 2 keycards.5♣ = ART Trump Q + 2 keycards.Also, like Pescetom, some of them prefer to use 4♦ rather than 4♣ over a 3♣ pre-empt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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