luis Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 We had some difficult hands last night, I've selected three examples that maybe of interest, all kinds of comments are welcome. The posted auction is what happened at the table. Let's start with #1:[hv=d=n&v=n&n=satxhakqtxxdakxcj&s=sjxxxxhjxdqxcktxx]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] The bidding was:2♣ - 2♦ (5+HCP not a "real" positive, geebrally 5-10)2♥ - 2♠3♠ - 4♣4N - 5♦ (0-3)5♠ Down 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 yuck that sucks. I agree with all bids lol. oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoeless Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 2S? overbid in my book. set hearts see what pard does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 set hearts with no fit? Pard can easily be 4531 or so, not sure how we can set hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 I would have just bid 4s over 3s and not cuebid. I am very concerned over trump quality.1) If I understand 2d=around 5-10 hcp?2) Not sure what the advantage is of showing HCP rather than some control showing over 2c openings. Even a simple:2D=1+ control but denies good long suit2H=zero controls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 4♣ seems a bit of a stretch to me $0.02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Give me relays (after a strong 1♣ opening) and we end up safely in 4♠ since we just don't have enough strength and north knows that south doesn't have any ♠ tophonours. Otherwise it's probably hard to stop... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 seems like with relays you should end in 3N or 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 seems like with relays you should end in 3N or 4H. That's also possible ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badderzboy Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Hmmm playing Benji Acol 2♣*-2♦*2♥*-2♠3♥-4♥ 2♣=Acol 2 8 playing tricks+2♦ waiting2♥ - Acol 2 in Hearts2♠ Natural3♥ Extra length Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 I don't like 4C either. Those K, Qs in minors are not likely useful. The bidding could also go: 2C - 2D2H - 2S3S - 4H* 4H shows 2-card support, not so good S suit, and no first control on minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 What would 4♣ after 2♠ have been? If it shows a shortness it will help partner brake.Are you already member of the very unlucky players club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 splinters with 3 trumps are a losing proposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 On my system I would have problems as well: 1♥-1NT (4+♠)2NT(GF)-3♣ (checkback)3♠-4♠??? Probably would think have enough extras for reaching the 5 level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 splinters with 3 trumps are a losing proposition. Disagree. It is my opinion that the most important message of the splinter bid is shortness. I don't think 4 card support so urgent to tell as the shortness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 There are occasions when a splinter with 3 trumps is fine. However, in the auction 2C 2D2H 2S4C Responder doesn't have a strong 5 card spade suit as he might have bid it on the previous round. Therefore I believe this is a situation when a 4th trump is necessary. However 2C 2D 2S 4C In this situation, a splinter on three trumps is fine, since to bid a second suit then splinter may lead to too much space being taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 splinters with 3 trumps are a losing proposition. Disagree. It is my opinion that the most important message of the splinter bid is shortness. I don't think 4 card support so urgent to tell as the shortness. unfortunately my dad agrees with you :) we had an auction once where I had AK AxxxAKJxxxA My partner ended up splintering in hearts after having shown a very very weak hand. I had an obvious 7D bid. Unfortunately he had 3 trumps and they led one lol. Anyways I know this is an isolated story but it goes to an important principle A stiff is much stronger when you have 4 trumps than when you have 3 trumps Partner is going to misevaluate alot of hands because when he assumes you have 4 trumps and a stiff he will start envisioning losers and will miscount them often when you fail to deliver the fourth trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 My dad also splintered this weekend with 3 trumps, he had: xxxxxxxxxK10xx- 2♣-2♦2♠-4♣ They should play together maybe lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 lol yes they could be a good partnership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Hi, I am not sure, but I think, if the partnership is playingserious 3NT, than 4 NT is an overvid.In this case 4C says, I have a cue, but nothing more,minimum HCP or a controll poor hand.It would be great, if it showed a top honor, which would be the case in my partnership, but this is not reallynecessary in this case. If the partnership does not play serious 3NT, than 5S-1 is unlucky. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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