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If 1!C promises 3+ clubs I might consider a raise, but since it only promises two, I think that I will bid my six card spade suit at the one level, planning to then show my heart suit...

I think that a five loser hand is good enough for a splinter, rather than a mundaine raise.

 

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I think that a five loser hand is good enough for a splinter, rather than a mundaine raise.

A splinter with TWO shortnesses? A splinter without established (or at least implied) fit? I can't say it's bad (now), since neither of the ideas has/have ever crossed my mind...

 

1 is a very plausible bid, but I'm still surprised by such overwhelming 'win' in this 'poll'. If I played with robot, or with some random 'one evening' human partner, I'd also bid 1. However, in any kind of real partnership, I'd bid diamond. 2, 3 or 4, depending on specific and overall partnership agreements.

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A splinter with TWO shortnesses? A splinter without established (or at least implied) fit? I can't say it's bad (now), since neither of the ideas has/have ever crossed my mind...

 

1 is a very plausible bid, but I'm still surprised by such overwhelming 'win' in this 'poll'. If I played with robot, or with some random 'one evening' human partner, I'd also bid 1. However, in any kind of real partnership, I'd bid diamond. 2, 3 or 4, depending on specific and overall partnership agreements.

 

Why ? these are club raises of differing types for us

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I think there is room for this general structure after 1x 1y :-

2y good raise to 3x

3y splinter

4y 5+ 5+ in unbid suits

Why not?

Because there are things that are arguably more useful than splinter for a minor or unlikely 5 5, like asking for a stop in y, transfer to 3nt with a stop in y, Kickback in x.

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I think there is room for this general structure after 1x 1y :-

2y good raise to 3x

3y splinter

4y 5+ 5+ in unbid suits

 

Why not?

 

You want to skip three rounds of bidding to tell partner that you have a misfit? And you expect to find the best strain and level?

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these are club raises of differing types for us

Why? I mean - why are you spending these useful bids on such a thing as raising partner's two cards long suit? What is the purpose of 2 and 3 bids for you?

 

A splinter with TWO shortnesses? A splinter without established (or at least implied) fit? I can't say it's bad (now), since neither of the ideas has/have ever crossed my mind...

 

1 is a very plausible bid, but I'm still surprised by such overwhelming 'win' in this 'poll'. If I played with robot, or with some random 'one evening' human partner, I'd also bid 1. However, in any kind of real partnership, I'd bid diamond. 2, 3 or 4, depending on specific and overall partnership agreements.

Why ?

I expressed (or implied) several opinions in my post. Don't know which one is addressed by your "why". If you had in mind my post as a whole, I could try to explain, but it will be much easier (and clearer) if you ask more specific question(s).

(Perhaps I can say one thing now (though I thought it's obvious) - my diamond bid means: "Bid your better major".)

 

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I think there is room for this general structure after 1x 1y :-

2y good raise to 3x

3y splinter

4y 5+ 5+ in unbid suits

That general structure beautifully applies on major suits. Less beautifully on diamonds. Not beautifully on clubs...

 

Why not?

Can't calculate the probabilities right now, but intuitively, I think that you'll have the right distribution in less than one time in twenty. That's too seldom. (Right distribution - six clubs with 322 or 331 in other suits)

 

That's not the strongest reason, but it would be impractical for me to write a novel, not knowing your system and trying to cover all possibilities. Could you tell me what 2 and 3 bids mean in your system?

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Admittedly the reason we have all these club raises is because we play a 4 card club rather than 2.

 

I don't think an artificial raise of a 2+ club is pointless, though. Neither has promised a real clubs suit (responder had the alternative of 2 which is forcing) so the main purpose is to exclude a 4-card major and put the bad guy on lead to our possible NT contract.

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My why was to the second point, I couldn't see why you were surprised, 1 is beyond obvious.

 

Admittedly the reason we have all these club raises is because we play a 4 card club rather than 2.

Huh, I don't know what to say... The answer to your question is pretty much in the paragraph after which you asked why; I would have to repeat some parts of the text. It might be my bad English.

 

And yes, 1 is beyond obvious, if que bid and double are out of the question. But they aren't...

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Huh, I don't know what to say... The answer to your question is pretty much in the paragraph after which you asked why; I would have to repeat some parts of the text. It might be my bad English.

 

And yes, 1 is beyond obvious, if que bid and double are out of the question. But they aren't...

 

Double is completely out of the question, it's a good way to concede 1x= with a game or slam on.

 

There are other uses for the cuebid, and you certainly don't want to be jump cueing with possibly less than half the deck and a likely misfit.

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