nekthen Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 [hv=pc=n&w=sk98732haj9875dc5&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=1c1d]133|200[/hv] 1c could be 2 cards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 1S. I'm not doubling with a void. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 11, 2020 Report Share Posted March 11, 2020 If 1!C promises 3+ clubs I might consider a raise, but since it only promises two, I think that I will bid my six card spade suit at the one level, planning to then show my heart suit... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted March 11, 2020 Report Share Posted March 11, 2020 Does 2♦ ask opener to bid NT with a stopper so we can get to 3NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted March 11, 2020 Report Share Posted March 11, 2020 what difference does it make about how many C they have. We are 6-6 in the majors, so the plan should be to TELL partner. Bid S then H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelicityR Posted March 11, 2020 Report Share Posted March 11, 2020 Except if I have a 4♦ bid available on my convention card as a form of modified Leaping Michael's showing specifically 8-10 HCPs and 6/6M with a void in ♦s, I'm just going to bid a paltry 1♠. I might mention ♥s later if I feel in an optimistic mood...:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted March 11, 2020 Report Share Posted March 11, 2020 Our 2♦ excludes majors, 3♦ is transfer to 3N and 4♦ is RKCB, so no luck there. Double does not do justice to this hand either, so I guess I'm stuck with 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted March 11, 2020 Report Share Posted March 11, 2020 If 1!C promises 3+ clubs I might consider a raise, but since it only promises two, I think that I will bid my six card spade suit at the one level, planning to then show my heart suit...I think that a five loser hand is good enough for a splinter, rather than a mundaine raise. Rik 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Povratnik Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 I think that a five loser hand is good enough for a splinter, rather than a mundaine raise.A splinter with TWO shortnesses? A splinter without established (or at least implied) fit? I can't say it's bad (now), since neither of the ideas has/have ever crossed my mind... 1♠ is a very plausible bid, but I'm still surprised by such overwhelming 'win' in this 'poll'. If I played with robot, or with some random 'one evening' human partner, I'd also bid 1♠. However, in any kind of real partnership, I'd bid diamond. 2♦, 3♦ or 4♦, depending on specific and overall partnership agreements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 A splinter with TWO shortnesses? A splinter without established (or at least implied) fit? I can't say it's bad (now), since neither of the ideas has/have ever crossed my mind... 1♠ is a very plausible bid, but I'm still surprised by such overwhelming 'win' in this 'poll'. If I played with robot, or with some random 'one evening' human partner, I'd also bid 1♠. However, in any kind of real partnership, I'd bid diamond. 2♦, 3♦ or 4♦, depending on specific and overall partnership agreements. Why ? these are club raises of differing types for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekthen Posted March 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 I think there is room for this general structure after 1x 1y :-2y good raise to 3x3y splinter4y 5+ 5+ in unbid suits Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 I think there is room for this general structure after 1x 1y :-2y good raise to 3x3y splinter4y 5+ 5+ in unbid suitsWhy not?Because there are things that are arguably more useful than splinter for a minor or unlikely 5 5, like asking for a stop in y, transfer to 3nt with a stop in y, Kickback in x. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 I think there is room for this general structure after 1x 1y :-2y good raise to 3x3y splinter4y 5+ 5+ in unbid suits Why not? You want to skip three rounds of bidding to tell partner that you have a misfit? And you expect to find the best strain and level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Povratnik Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 these are club raises of differing types for usWhy? I mean - why are you spending these useful bids on such a thing as raising partner's two cards long suit? What is the purpose of 2♣ and 3♣ bids for you? A splinter with TWO shortnesses? A splinter without established (or at least implied) fit? I can't say it's bad (now), since neither of the ideas has/have ever crossed my mind... 1♠ is a very plausible bid, but I'm still surprised by such overwhelming 'win' in this 'poll'. If I played with robot, or with some random 'one evening' human partner, I'd also bid 1♠. However, in any kind of real partnership, I'd bid diamond. 2♦, 3♦ or 4♦, depending on specific and overall partnership agreements.Why ?I expressed (or implied) several opinions in my post. Don't know which one is addressed by your "why". If you had in mind my post as a whole, I could try to explain, but it will be much easier (and clearer) if you ask more specific question(s).(Perhaps I can say one thing now (though I thought it's obvious) - my diamond bid means: "Bid your better major".) * * * I think there is room for this general structure after 1x 1y :-2y good raise to 3x3y splinter4y 5+ 5+ in unbid suitsThat general structure beautifully applies on major suits. Less beautifully on diamonds. Not beautifully on clubs... Why not?Can't calculate the probabilities right now, but intuitively, I think that you'll have the right distribution in less than one time in twenty. That's too seldom. (Right distribution - six clubs with 322 or 331 in other suits) That's not the strongest reason, but it would be impractical for me to write a novel, not knowing your system and trying to cover all possibilities. Could you tell me what 2♣ and 3♣ bids mean in your system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 My why was to the second point, I couldn't see why you were surprised, 1♠ is beyond obvious. Admittedly the reason we have all these club raises is because we play a 4 card club rather than 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 Admittedly the reason we have all these club raises is because we play a 4 card club rather than 2. I don't think an artificial raise of a 2+ club is pointless, though. Neither has promised a real clubs suit (responder had the alternative of 2♣ which is forcing) so the main purpose is to exclude a 4-card major and put the bad guy on lead to our possible NT contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Povratnik Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 My why was to the second point, I couldn't see why you were surprised, 1♠ is beyond obvious. Admittedly the reason we have all these club raises is because we play a 4 card club rather than 2.Huh, I don't know what to say... The answer to your question is pretty much in the paragraph after which you asked why; I would have to repeat some parts of the text. It might be my bad English. And yes, 1♠ is beyond obvious, if que bid and double are out of the question. But they aren't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 Huh, I don't know what to say... The answer to your question is pretty much in the paragraph after which you asked why; I would have to repeat some parts of the text. It might be my bad English. And yes, 1♠ is beyond obvious, if que bid and double are out of the question. But they aren't... Double is completely out of the question, it's a good way to concede 1♦x= with a game or slam on. There are other uses for the cuebid, and you certainly don't want to be jump cueing with possibly less than half the deck and a likely misfit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Povratnik Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 I was talking about this very hand, where it's virtually impossible for my LHO to pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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