barmar Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 Be aware that the irregularity here is West's violation of[the Law requiring them to count their cards]Everything else that appear as irregularities here was subsequent to, and a consequence of this violation.True, but the only thing that can be done about that is a Procedural Penalty, it doesn't say how to rectify the later mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 The commentary on this starts "if more than 52 cards are dealt". We are told that the extra ace came from a previous deal, not a 53rd card dealt to this deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pran Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 True, but the only thing that can be done about that is a Procedural Penalty, it doesn't say how to rectify the later mess.It opens the door for Law 12A1: The Director may award an adjusted score in favour of a non-offending contestant when he judges that these Laws do not prescribe a rectification for the particular type of violation committed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pran Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 The commentary on this starts "if more than 52 cards are dealt". We are told that the extra ace came from a previous deal, not a 53rd card dealt to this deal.It has still become part of "this deal" and as such "is the 53rd card dealt". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudH Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 I had my own version of this while directing a club game back on January 22 regarding Boards 7 and 10 of the afternoon Common Game with the king of spades as the extra card. Board 7: https://bridgewinners.com/article/view/common-game-2020-01-22-board-7/Board 10: https://bridgewinners.com/article/view/common-game-2020-01-22-board-10/ [hv=pc=n&s=sjt75hq9dat74cjt2&w=s9843hajt76d63ck8&n=skq62h82dj52cq953&e=sakhk543dkq98ca764]399|300|An extra spade king was in the East hand. P-P-P-1D-P-1H-P-3H(?)-all pass. Spade king led, Director called when spade king then appeared in dummy.[/hv] Less than 10 minutes into an 8x3 bye-stand relay (share) game, Table 3 calls me during their first board (Board 7). ♠K led by North against a 3♥ contract and I was called when the ♠K also appeared in dummy! Some severe underbidding by East caused them to stop in the partscore with an auction where East opened with a "balanced 19 points" and only raised the 1♥ response to 3♥. I removed the ♠K from dummy and declarer scored 11 tricks for 200. I did not adjust the score nor did I give a procedural penalty due to East not counting her cards. I then warned all the players to be very careful to count their cards and to especially watch for a hand with only 12 cards with green backs. But my warning was too late: [hv=pc=n&s=sahqj7543d82cat94&w=st8764hkdq73cqj82&n=s932ha986dkjtc53&e=sqj5ht2da9654ck76]399|300[/hv] At Table 4 on their first board (Board 10), North raised her partner's 1♥ opening bid to only 2♥ holding ♠932 ♥A986 ♦KJ10 ♣53 because she didn't realize she held only 12 cards and she should have been holding the ♠K that the East hand of Board 7 possessed (until I took it away at about the same time that Board 10 was being completed at Table 4). Of course, I can't count that result since there was never a time when all players held at least 13 cards. I gave A+ to the opponents and A- to the offenders, plus a tiny one matchpoint PP. (That was still better than the zero they thought they would receive!) We never did figure out how boards were made with our dealing machine ending with a card in the wrong directional pocket and in a board not even adjacent in number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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