What's your call?

[Winstonm]

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Bidding:

 

N E S W

1S 3H ?

 

What is your action and reasoning for it?[/hv]

[Guest Jlall]

call TD, 12 cards

[Winstonm]

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Oops. Can't trust technology to fix your errors. Try it with 13 cards instead.[/hv]

[mike777]

Pass

 

Good Grief partner may have:

AKXXX

XX

AXX

XXX

 

If p reopens with takeout x, will jump to 5C since we are vul and opp are not.

Why? Takeout doubles are for takeout. Partner should not have a wk nt hand or 14-16 balanced hand with 5 spades.

[whereagles]

Hum.. I think I pass. If pard passes this too, I probably can't make a thing. If he balances 3♠ (80% chance or so), I can try 3NT now.

[Free]

Pass, we can still play 3NT if p bids again.

[pclayton]

Yes - pass, fully realizing that 3N or many clubs may be possible. File this under "preempts work".

[Double !]

Call 911 !

 

Ok, I pass.

I have no clear action, no fit, passing may be only way for plus score, and I have a great partner whom I trust completely, without reservation. He will know the right thing to do in the balancing seat.

[beatrix45]

:rolleyes:

PASS

 

Let the opponents play the misfit hands.

 

Partner's most likely distribution is 6-2-3-2. So if you (ugh) double, you are likely to hear 3 ♠. Now what? Come to think of it, an immediate 3NT would be better. At least you might make that, or go down four.

[P_Marlowe]

3NT.

 

Ugly.

 

This depends a lot on your opening style,

in case you open solid, you probably have

game.

You wont feel comfortable, when partner bids

4S, assuming rightful, that you hold 2 cards.

but thats is.

 

Pass is an option as well, but if you tank, and

I would tank, partner will be under hard pressure,

because, most of the time Pass will be an LA.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Guest Jlall]

3N. GL me. In mike's example if you reverse the minor suits then 3N is good.

[luis]

3NT shouldn't be a complete disaster but it can be :-)

[Echognome]

I think Marlowe brings up a good point. I certainly applaud the in tempo passers. It would be difficult at the table when you are thinking of your bid if RHO passes (1NT? (forcing or not), 2♣ if SAYC or Acol?) and what you are going to do if Partner bids X number of spades. Then, RHO jams 3♥ into the auction and if you can come out of that with an in tempo pass... perfect. If you huddle, then you have a really tough problem, to which 3NT may be the solution. Partner still may bid 4♠. The advantage of passing is that you are more likely to find 3NT when it's right.

[Winstonm]

Two Questions:

 

1) In what ways do you feel this hand is flawed for a negative or card showing double, and in what ways would it need to be changed to make it such?

 

2) Should a negative double at this level for the minors be a game invitation or simply showing enough values to play at the 4-level?

 

winstonm

[Fluffy]

3NT or double and correct 3♠ to 3NT, I guess 3NT directly is better.

[mike777]

Two Questions:

 

1) In what ways do you feel this hand is flawed for a negative or card showing double, and in what ways would it need to be changed to make it such?

 

2) Should a negative double at this level for the minors be a game invitation or simply showing enough values to play at the 4-level?

 

winstonm

1) I passed because p can have a really junky hand. Would expect them to reopen with extra hcp or shape. My void in partner's suit really scares me off but not others I see. Having more QJ than AK scares me off but not others.

 

2) I think any bid over 3h should be game force, that includes x. IMHO, trying to get out in 4 of a minor should be a very low priority in any bidding system.

[luke warm]

looks like i'm the only one who doubles here... pull 3S to 3NT, treat 4m as rkc if partner plays that way

[mikestar]

I can pass these in tempo quite easily--worth them prempting it is very likely that partner has at least six spades. This makes my psade void worse than worhtless. And though QJx of their suit is a good stopper, it certainly isn't worth a full 3 points in trick taking power.

 

So I have 10 HCP, 3 of which aren't pulling full weight and no really usable shape due to the spade void. It is not even a temptation unless we are playing Roth Stone.

 

This leaves it under strenght for a takeout double requiring a bid at the four level as well. The double has no alternate way to win if it doesn't lead to a making contract, as partner will not be able to leave it in on a misfit--his hearts will be to short and weak.

[civill]

pass;

Direct 3NT and dbl are not suitable,wait for the next turn.

[civill]

pass;

Direct 3NT and dbl are not suitable,wait for the next turn.

[joker_gib]

Pass

 

Not a great stopper and not enough for 3NT or dbl

 

Alain

[Blofeld]

I think Marlowe brings up a good point. I certainly applaud the in tempo passers. It would be difficult at the table when you are thinking of your bid if RHO passes (1NT? (forcing or not), 2♣ if SAYC or Acol?) and what you are going to do if Partner bids X number of spades. Then, RHO jams 3♥ into the auction and if you can come out of that with an in tempo pass... perfect. If you huddle, then you have a really tough problem, to which 3NT may be the solution. Partner still may bid 4♠. The advantage of passing is that you are more likely to find 3NT when it's right.

Doesn't the stop card offer you some measure of protection in this regard?

 

Perhaps not enough, though.

[han]

I never bid in tempo after a preempt, so as usual, I will wait 10 seconds and pass.

[Guest Jlall]

"in tempo" is a relative term. Bidding in tempo in this case IS waiting 10 seconds, bidding quicker is breaking tempo. The stop card is totally irrelevant, you should wait 10 seconds no matter what. Some may say that in practice this does not happen, thus giving the stop card some use. But lets be real, in practice people either look bored while the stop card is out and they have to wait the mandatory 10 seconds, or they are definitely thinking and everyone knows it. I know this should not happen and the players should always act like they're thinking, but we all know it does. This defeats the point of the 10 second pause and there's no need for stop cards.

[Fluffy]

Around here stop card is worth nothing at all, people jsut ignore it and pass quickly when they want, haven't seen anybody calling director for that because it is quite common, so I guess it will keep happening forever.

 

I have though of a way to avoid it, not sure if it is ethical though, What I think of is to get the call of the bidding box, hold it in your hand without releasing it, but in a position that everybody can see it, LHO cannot bid since you haven't bid yet, but has the time to think of his bid even if he doesn't want to.