straube Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 At what point does it make sense to switch from takeout to penalty after opening a strong NT? Say it goes 1N (2H) P P ? Should double be takeout here? At some point it needs to be penalty. 1N (4S) P P dbl would certainly be penalty. How about 1N P P 2C ? I think everyone would play double there as takeout (2C here is natural). What about 1N P P 2S ? 3D? Thinking that the "switch" is at a different spot between balancing and direct doubles because balancing lies under the bidder and the direct lies over the bidder. I just haven't seen many recommendations on where those points should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 At what point does it make sense to switch from takeout to penalty after opening a strong NT? Say it goes 1N (2H) P P ? Should double be takeout here? At some point it needs to be penalty. 1N (4S) P P dbl would certainly be penalty. How about 1N P P 2C ? I think everyone would play double there as takeout (2C here is natural). What about 1N P P 2S ? 3D? Thinking that the "switch" is at a different spot between balancing and direct doubles because balancing lies under the bidder and the direct lies over the bidder. I just haven't seen many recommendations on where those points should be.If they bid game, you hit it … Penalty, if the double makes it a game contract T/O.Obviously I am not keen on Fighting for a partial, if they already entered the 3 Level,but if they entered the 3 Level on their own, do I really believe, I am getting rich? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 Double of two-level interference = take-out.Double of three-level interference = doesn't exist opposite a passed hand (if it did exist it would be take-out, but it doesn't).Double of four-level interference = doesn't normally exist opposite a passed hand against sane opponents. But partner's double would be penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 Double of two-level interference = take-out.Double of three-level interference = doesn't exist opposite a passed hand (if it did exist it would be take-out, but it doesn't).Double of four-level interference = doesn't normally exist opposite a passed hand against sane opponents. But partner's double would be penalties.Agree more or less. Partner's double of 4H has tolerance for takeout to 4S though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 Agree with PescaTom, After we've opened 1N, we play that the 1st double by either hand is T/O at the 2-level ,,, shading to Action ,,, and Cards at higher levels.... Hesitations ... and sighs :( can clarify difficult decisions :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straube Posted January 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 I would have guessed 2H is the last takeout double because it allows for at least one contract at the 2-level. Or maybe 3C because it doesn't require partner to choose a suit at the 4-level. Penalty doubles by one hand are very rare at low levels but I can construct hands whereas it's hard for me to construct a hand with NT strength but balanced and able to support a contract at the 4-level. Partner has less than GF values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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