Tough to bid

[pescetom]

Start with a dbl (negative) followed by a bid in ♠ showing a GF hand with a 5+ card ♠ and if bid with a jump it shows a 6+ card.

 

Is it common to play this as GF? The school here is that it is technically NF, although of course difficult to pass.

[pescetom]

Thanks to those who replied so far. Here is the full layout.

 

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At our table it went 2♠ (3♥) 3♠ (4♥) 4♠ (p) p (p).

 

At national level, out of 506 results, only 34 managed to bid and make 6♠.

 

More surpisingly, out of 338 others that were in 4♠ (or maybe 5♠), only 95 made 12 tricks.

Presumably the majority failed to pick up Q♠ in North, which seems odd if South had interfered in hearts.

[gwnn]

Aren’t fit jumps supposed to be NF? Then it is insufficient as partner could leave me there.

No, not really. Mostly fit jumps are played as forcing to the next level of our fit. There is some value in playing them non-forcing in some cases. For example, I have played

 

1♣-x-2M

 

as 5M, 3♣, ~7-9, NF. But I think generally they'd be played as F.

 

(this is not to say that I agree with anything Cyberyeti posted in this thread. I do not).

[aawk]

Is it common to play this as GF? The school here is that it is technically NF, although of course difficult to pass.

 

 

maybe I can explain it better :

 

A negative double shows 8+ HCP and the other or both majors.

 

If you give a negative double and then introduce a new major you show a GF hand with a 5+ card major (11+ HCP).

 

If you give a negative double and then introduce a new minor you show a 6+ card minor beside the 4 card major with a minimum (8-9 HCP).

 

If you want to play it this way it must be in agreement with your partner.

[mikeh]

maybe I can explain it better :

 

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If you give a negative double and then introduce a new major you show a GF hand with a 5+ card major (11+ HCP).

 

 

Not the way I have e3ver played it and I don't understand why anyone would play this, unless playing NFB. If you have a gf hand and a 5 card major, bridge is very simple: bid the major. Not only is this simple and sensible but it minimizes the problems that flow from first making a negative double: what if 4th seat preempts? Now, you may have to guess whether it is safe to bid the major, when partner will/should expect that such shows a moderate hand at best, and a long suit unwilling to sell out.

[nudnikbp]

2S for now. No good reason to bid anything else.

Playing standard bidding with five card majors, doesn't 1C show 3+ clubs? But that's a side issue.

[msjennifer]

Sirs, the way we play it is to bid 3H just now showing a spade 5+suit and club 2 honors to 4 support,(since 1C may be even xx in clubs).Our next bid , if available is 4H showing a spade suit capable of winning 10 tricks on its own and a heart void.Without the void in heart we just bid 4S on the next turn.Hence my bid just now is 3H.We have an entirely different development procedure after a bid of 2S just now.If LHO bids 4H then we do have a support double and other bids available to opener as per his hand strength and distribution pattern.

[fromageGB]

Nobody seems to have mentioned double as a transfer, which is my call. Show the spades and assuming opener completes, raise to game.

Opener, having a perfectly ordinary 1♣ open, on a different hand may not complete the transfer but rebid a 6 card club suit, and that too I would raise to game.

 

The OP asks for developments after 3♥ from 4th seat, and opener with 3 spades will bid 3♠. Over 4♥ I am happy to bid 4♠. I see no reason to go higher.