curiosity

[cencio]

Many times I receive, from my occasional partners, accusations of missed contracts or missed tricks from our line.

I am not a great player and therefore I accept their beliefs in silence. But after going to see again the hand at double dummy I find that often, the error in the card game was theirs or that the contract that had to be declared was not there.

Perhaps many players. perhaps too many speak at random.

[pescetom]

All in all, I think it's just something you have to accept on BBO.

 

Often they will be wrong, or be right but fail to acknowledge that you too must have realised your mistake.

Other times they may be right even if double double it does not look so - maybe the contract had to be declared even if it was not there, or the line of play they chose was best even if it happened to fail.

Certainly it's better if people only talk when they know what they are talking about, and are careful not to offend - but this is internet chat, after all.

[barmar]

All in all, I think it's just something you have to accept on BBO.

The OP never said this was on BBO. This is the General Bridge Forum, not specific to BBO.

[pescetom]

The OP never said this was on BBO. This is the General Bridge Forum, not specific to BBO.

 

True. I deduced it was on BBO because OP said he always accepts in silence, which seems very odd if we are talking about face to face bridge but quite reasonable if specific to online. But maybe I'm wrong.

[maartenxq]

Apart from being right or wrong it is also useless. The late S.J. Simon wrote:

"Tell your partner he made a mistake and he will make another next hand, prove it he it wil cost you 4 hands".

 

Maarten Baltusseb

[plbv]

"Few players are good enough to tell others how they should play bridge. Even fewer can do so in the emotional atmosphere of the table."

F Stewart

[Cyberyeti]

Apart from being right or wrong it is also useless. The late S.J. Simon wrote:

"Tell your partner he made a mistake and he will make another next hand, prove it he it wil cost you 4 hands".

 

Maarten Baltusseb

 

This depends on the personality of the partner, I actually like partners to tell me particularly when I haven't noticed. It tends to wake me up, but I play with some partners to whom I can't say anything.

[Left2Right]

Yes, this is the one great failing of the robots: they have not yet been taught how to be snarky, critical or impatient.

(No wonder they're so popular.)

 

Perhaps with the advent of A.I. ....

 

8-)

[pescetom]

This depends on the personality of the partner, I actually like partners to tell me particularly when I haven't noticed. It tends to wake me up, but I play with some partners to whom I can't say anything.

 

On the personality of both partners, I would say - between some there is sufficient trust and respect to point things out at the time, at least while things are still going well. Words are not always necessary or recommended either - I like partner to give me a wry smile to acknowledge "we both know how we screwed up there", or a questioning look to say "talk about that one at the bar later?".

[Joe_Old]

Going over the hands is a great learning tool...but not at the table.

 

I consider it to be rude to criticize or teach partner at the table (unforgivable to do that to an opponent). It tends to embarrass a partner more than it helps. With partnerships I care about, I discuss hands after the session.

[PhilG007]

Many times I receive, from my occasional partners, accusations of missed contracts or missed tricks from our line.

I am not a great player and therefore I accept their beliefs in silence. But after going to see again the hand at double dummy I find that often, the error in the card game was theirs or that the contract that had to be declared was not there.

Perhaps many players. perhaps too many speak at random.

 

My friend here is a piece of advice. Next time you are attacked simply say to your partner "I see. What should I have done?" If they are a

player worth their salt.they will explain what you did wrong.....and you get a free lesson(!) Sadly,criticism is part and parcel of this strange game.

and until you reach the stage where you can defend yourself,go quietly and grow a thick skin Who knows,there could come a time when YOU can criticise THEM

[pescetom]

My friend here is a piece of advice. Next time you are attacked simply say to your partner "I see. What should I have done?" If they are a

player worth their salt.they will explain what you did wrong.....and you get a free lesson(!) Sadly,criticism is part and parcel of this strange game.

and until you reach the stage where you can defend yourself,go quietly and grow a thick skin Who knows,there could come a time when YOU can criticise THEM

 

With all due respect I think that's a lousy attitude, and I've fought hard with success to marginalise those in our club who think that way. Nobody should attack anybody and nobody should need a thick skin.

As you say, a player worth their salt should be capable of explaining (with tact and understanding) what their partner did wrong... my experience is that often they would be capable, but fail all the same, either because they can't remember when such things were not obvious to them or because they wilfully ignore that their now terrorised partner has no hope of understanding anything except simple and genuinely helpful explanations, and really needs some trust right now.

[dsLawsd]

Perhaps the example of building a partnership was Eisenberg- Kantar who had system differences that needed agreements. After the game they had great give and take that led to a great partnership. They also had a great temperament to survive bad results without a cross word. I personally watched them during a Quarter of a high level match where they gave up more than 50 IMPs. But you would never know since they acted like they were winning.

Best case- mark the hands for discussion later. But it takes 2 to agree to this.

 

Only discuss a system malfunction briefly at the time to correct a matter that might come up again. I have had only about 3 partners over 40 years that could master this...

[torgums]

I tell my partners that I have learned so much from my mistakes that I think I make some more.