inquiry Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=a&s=sakq76hkj73dat8ck]133|100|Scoring: IMP BPO-002BS----------W----------N----------E1♠…………….2♥…………..3♥……….Pass? Your bid [/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 BPO-002B 4♣ Partner's 3H bid promises a limit raise+ in support of Spades. Give partner a perfect minimum and slam could easily be on... Two important points about this hand. 1. BBO advanced uses “Serious” 3NT. In this case, I can offer a courtesy cue bid without overstating my strength. 2. BBO Advanced specifically states that “The bid of a side suit never bid naturally shows any first or second round control”. Accordingly, 4♣ is the appropriate way to move forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 3NT serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 4C Not serious 3nt. In any case I prefer 3nt to promise hearts stoppers on this auction not serious 3nt. I guess everyone plays cuebid by UPH as promising support 100%. I agree it is very often but prefer not 100%. There are a few hand types that I prefer to start with cuebid and not a neg x and then rebid a forcing new suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42 Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 This one is the most difficult hand for me. I chose 4♥... Perhaps serious 3NT is better but I wanted to show slam interest AND a ♥-control. 4♣ may seem to be 1.-round control. With what did W bid 2♥ in red? Just AQ........ in ♥s? I am too stupid for this hand :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 i think i voted for 3nt :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 4♣ may seem to be 1.-round control. 4♣ is specifically defined as first or second round control in the system notes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 4 spades I chickened out of 4 club splinter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 4 spades I chickened out of 4 club splinter Wayne 4♣ wouldn't normally be a splinter since it is not a jump. In this auction it would normally be a cue-bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 thx Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 3NTIt's forcing whether serious or not. 3H commits us to play in spades. Again, I want to hear partner's rebid. If P bids anything but 4S I now get very interested.Meanwhile, I have wasted values in lho's suit. Where are partner's values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vedran Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 i will start with 3NTi pass partners 4♠, but if he bids anything else i will blackwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 4NT - I figured all I really need to know is partner's controls. Why not take over the auction now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 4NT - I figured all I really need to know is partner's controls. Why not take over the auction now? Lost me on this one. If you want to know controls how is 4nt going to help? This tells you aces at 5 level not controls at 4 level. Heck of alot more controls than aces in the deck. Stiff and voids are controls, K are controls...etc. 3H does not deny a hand with shortness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Yes controls. Aces first then Kings next. If partner has one ace I'm not stopping short of slam. If he has none, then i'm stopping at the 5-level. I don't want partner cue-bidding his heart void as I don't plan to ruff 4 hearts in dummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 3N - natural or serious - whatever you choose. But either way its FORCING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 4♣ Cue Partner's hand is limited here so I think 3NT must be natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipo Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 4♦ I want to hear if partner has a heart control (singleton?). If partner does not have a heart control, I may get a heart ruff or may not have enough heart discards on the club suit. If I bid 4♣ then I dont know what to do after a 4♦ cue by partner. I don't like 3NT because my hand does not have playing power (no 6 spades, wrong heart control, singleton king are bad features). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 4♣ Cue Partner's hand is limited here so I think 3NT must be natural. I don't think so. 3♥ is invitational+, i.e. could be limit raise, but could be any game forcing strength (with heart fit) as well. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 First thing to note here is partner didn't splinter in ♥, wich means you will need one of the ♥ honnors in partner's hand to make slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 4♣ Cue Partner's hand is limited here so I think 3NT must be natural. I don't think so. 3♥ is invitational+, i.e. could be limit raise, but could be any game forcing strength (with heart fit) as well. ArendYou are right, Arend, I forgot that it was BBO advanced ! In my system I play it as limit :P with 2NT as FG Anyway I still voted for 4♣ ! :) Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 2NT is natural? Who needs that?4♣ control bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 2NT is natural? Who needs that? 3NT serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 4S. I agree, a cue bid would be better,but 3NT is a huge overbid, afterall my heart valuesare wasted.And taking these values away, the hand becomes a normal acceptance off an inviation. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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