Free Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 Can anyone give me a detailed summary about answers after a 1NT-Comic overcall?? For those who don't know what Comic-1NT is, it contains 2 types of hands:- an unknown length (normally 6-card) and weak- a normal 1NT-opening of 15-17 HCP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 In some circles this treatment is also referred to as Gardener 1NT (WBF Level 3 eligible but ACBL Mid-Chart here). I recommend downloading Meckstroth-Rodwell's WBF CC (including the supplemental notes) - they have a pretty good explaination of this treatment. Go to EcatsBridge at http://www.ecatsbridge.com. It's too bad that it's not allowed at most events here in ACBL land; I for one rather like it. ;D Dr. Dwayne Hoffman :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 In our region, it's a standard convention, but almost nobody plays it :) ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Gardener 1NT standard Gardener 1NT overcall - version Meckwell1CDHS1DHS=NF,5+cdCue=Michael 2NT=Ogust conv. incl. valuesFav:1NT=Gardner 2C=Stayman 2DH=Trans 2S=minors/show str 2NT=14-18 3CDHS=Weak,long I often play Gardener 1NT overcall. As usual strange bids has a tendency to pay off very well. Not because the efficiency of the feature but simply because it is strange to most opps. Everything but simple 5 card overcalls seems to be too advanced to be understood as well by partner as by opps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 The Italians, Bocchi and Duboin play it this way.1NT is only comic over 1m, and it always shows a weak M or 15-18Now 2C is staymanic - over this 2D = some weak 2 in a M, 2H/S = 15-16 4 carders, 2NT = 15-16 no M, 3 level bids show max with the M Other bids over 1NT are transfers, refuse to accept ransfer ONLY if holding a s/t in partner's suit. I play this and its fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chronos Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 There are some continuations with other bids that make The_Hog's version more interesting... Over 1m a 2D overcall in Intermediate in a Major.The only thing I wasn't all that sure of, is what you do with a 6 card major and partner Staymans. What are the continuations? Do you show a six card suit somehow? Or Does partner guess? Is there a risk that partner guesses badly and you miss slam? Just some thoughts. Chronos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 Partner does not stayman. The first 2C bid is an enquiry as to hand typeNow2D I have a weak 2 in a M2H 15-16 4H2S 15-16 4S2N 15-16, no M3? Shows that suit and a max NT overcall Over 2D above 2H = Pass/correct 2S = art enquiry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 14, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 It's not that hard to find out, and you shouldn't miss. After (1X) - 1NT - p - 2C - p - 2D, it's like you opened 2D-multi. And otherwise you bid a 4-card M or 2NT without a 4-card M. Maybe the 3X answers should be left out, but I don't know for sure. It can be good, but it can go wrong either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 Well seems like there're many variations, I'll post mine and free will have plenty of options to choose :-) After a comic 1NT2c = Asking bid, pd will pass/correct with the weak one suited hand orbid their suit (cue) with the 15-17 nt.Cue = Asking bid, pd bids 2nt with 15-17 or his suit with a weak one suited.Others = Natural and to play even if pd has a strong nt.2n = INV if pd has a 15-17 nt, otherwise pull to 3x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sartaj1 Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Tony Nunn and i play the comic no-trump and we play1NT = 15-18 or weak single suited or weak two suited.The overcaller is hereon termed the "Comedian" 2C = non forcing stayman Comedian may pass with Cs. Else Cue of their suit = 15-16,has major,then nat Others = natural, one or two suited 2NT = 15-16, no major 3C = 17-18, no major 3D = 17-18, both majors 3M = 17-18 , that major2D/H = non forcing transfers Comedian may pass if his suit2S = forcing relay. Then 2NT = two suited (Now 3C ask, CRO resp) 3X = natural 3 of their suit = 15-18 ( they psyched ??) But the two most important things to discuss area) What to do if they double 1NT:) How to compete if they make a bid and distinguish between the weak and strong hands a)We play everything as natural although i am sure there is a better treatment. If advancer passes the double, we play comedian's redouble as two suited. B) If they bid. for example(1D) - 1NT - (2H) - ?Here , double acts as an enquiry and the comedian will bid 2NT to show strong hand else natural We played the comic notrump in Australia's best and toughest event, the NOT in January.I must admit that it worked far more effectively against the weaker players. Once we start playing the tougher opponents, it is no longer a nuclear bomb.But its fun, and so we use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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