lindamorey Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 Does it seem a bit unfair and against the spirit of ACBL that one is able to rent advanced robots for play? I would like to think when we are playing with robots, everyone is on a level playing field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 My understanding is that all people playing in an ACBL accredited tournament are using the same level of robots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 Players in ACBL Robot tournaments all use the same type of robot. IIRC, the general rule is that in free tournaments (no entry fee), everybody gets basic bots, in paid tournaments you get advanced bots. This does not apply to general play where you can rent either a basic bot or and advanced bot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lindamorey Posted July 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 Players in ACBL Robot tournaments all use the same type of robot. IIRC, the general rule is that in free tournaments (no entry fee), everybody gets basic bots, in paid tournaments you get advanced bots. This does not apply to general play where you can rent either a basic bot or and advanced bot. Thanks for clearing this up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepossum Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 It raises an interesting question for the non-tournament use. I know non-tournament hands dont mean that much but I have occasionally noticed differences in play on regular IMP casual play that I wondered if they were down to Advanced vs Basic bots - eg with seemingly identical auctions and play by declarer, having different leads or plays from time to time. I havent been able to pin it down though If we do compare against people in regular IMP play with different bots it then begs the question whether partnering a basic bot against two basic bots is better or worse than partnering an advanced bot against two advanced bots :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 It raises an interesting question for the non-tournament use. I know non-tournament hands dont mean that much but I have occasionally noticed differences in play on regular IMP casual play that I wondered if they were down to Advanced vs Basic bots - eg with seemingly identical auctions and play by declarer, having different leads or plays from time to time. I havent been able to pin it down though If we do compare against people in regular IMP play with different bots it then begs the question whether partnering a basic bot against two basic bots is better or worse than partnering an advanced bot against two advanced bots :) On average, basic bots make more completely incomprehensible bidding and play mistakes than advanced bots, as well as less well "thought out" mistakes and evaluations that may or may not result in a bad result. To the extent that ridiculous results don't help you practice, or learn anything about bridge, than advanced bots will let you have more reasonable results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 If we do compare against people in regular IMP play with different bots it then begs the question whether partnering a basic bot against two basic bots is better or worse than partnering an advanced bot against two advanced bots :) I rather play with a basic bot than the average BBO member Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 It raises an interesting question for the non-tournament use. I know non-tournament hands dont mean that much but I have occasionally noticed differences in play on regular IMP casual play that I wondered if they were down to Advanced vs Basic bots - eg with seemingly identical auctions and play by declarer, having different leads or plays from time to time. I havent been able to pin it down thoughIt could be basic vs. advanced. But there's also some randomness in robot bidding and play. They make use of simulations, which involves dealing out a bunch of random hands that fit the conditions of the bidding and play so far (and a few that don't, to allow for psychs). In tournaments, we force all the bots to use the same random number sequence, so if your bidding and play is the same as someone else's, the robots should do the same thing. But non-tourney robots are not forced to be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 I rather play with a basic bot than the average BBO memberWe've tested both basic and advanced bots, having them play robot tournaments in the human seat. I don't remember the actual results, but it's something like basic bots average 56% and advanced are 58%. So they're both decent players, but advanced are better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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