661_Pete Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 I'd welcome some advice here. At pairs MPs, I hold, game all dealer N:[hv=pc=n&s=st6haj75daj3caj94&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=pp1c2sdp]133|200[/hv]Playing acol, I open 1♣ expecting to rebid 1NT to show 15-17. 2♠ was explained as 'intermediate' i.e. showing good ♠ and opening values or just below. Normally we'd play X as negative, i.e. forcing and showing some strength elsewhere. But after a jump overcall in ♠? I hesitated a long time. I can't call NT, I can't rebid ♣, can I really show a 4-card ♥ suit at the 3 level? Or a 3-card ♦? Surely I'm not strong enough to cue-bid 3♠ - especially with my doubleton and partner passed first round. After agonising over this, I passed. I thought, just possible it was a penalty double, like in old-style Acol. You can guess what happened next. 2♠x just made :o , for a rank bottom for us. I apologised and partner was very understanding, albeit not best pleased! Incidentally, partner held ♠852/♥K42/♦Q754/♣KQ2. I think with his hand he should have passed 2♠ anyway. But he's a very enthusiastic bidder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 passing 2S X with 4 hearts is a strange choice to say the least :lol: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo1201 Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Partner’s bid is not that enthusiastic! As he has sound values, just lacking the 4th H. Maybe he has to cover for you, if you are / aren’t expected to re-open with a strong NT, or a weakest hand with long C? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Where does he get his 8th trick from ? Did he have a 7th spade and dummy have an entry ? Otherwise the bidding may have been a lucky win but the defence let it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelicityR Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Playing 4M Acol I'd open 1♥, the suit below the doubleton. The only response that might embarrass you is 2♦, but you can still rebid 2NT with 15-16 and it doesn't promise a ♠ stopper. As everyone else said, you should have respected your partner's negative double - even though his hand was off shape and not quite right to compete - and bid 3♥. Most doubles (especially at a low level) are for takeout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Just rebid 3♥happy to have a 4th♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
661_Pete Posted June 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Just rebid 3♥happy to have a 4th♥.Yes that's what my partner told me :unsure: . Thanks everyone for the feedback. We all get it wrong sometimes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Partner had enough value for a negative double but lacked the 4 ♥ necessary for the double with a balanced hand. In any case, if a ♥ contract turns out to be poor because of partner's lack of a 4th ♥, then that's on him/her. Bid 3 ♥. Your LHO has shown values which makes your three AJ's lose a little value. So I don't see upgrading this 15 count and making a stronger bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 [hv=pc=n&s=st6haj75daj3caj94&&n=S852HK43DQ754CKQ2d=n&v=b&b=13&a=pp1c2sdp?]200|200|661_Pete writes 'I'd welcome some advice here. At pairs MPs, I hold, game all dealer N. Playing acol, I open 1♣ expecting to rebid 1NT to show 15-17. 2♠ was explained as 'intermediate' i.e. showing good ♠ and opening values or just below.Normally we'd play X as negative, i.e. forcing and showing some strength elsewhere. But after a jump overcall in ♠? I hesitated a long time. I can't call NT, I can't rebid ♣, can I really show a 4-card ♥ suit at the 3 level? Or a 3-card ♦? Surely I'm not strong enough to cue-bid 3♠ - especially with my doubleton and partner passed first round.After agonising over this, I passed. I thought, just possible it was a penalty double, like in old-style Acol.You can guess what happened next. 2♠x just made , for a rank bottom for us. I apologised and partner was very understanding, albeit not best pleased!Incidentally, partner held ♠852/♥K42/♦Q754/♣KQ2. I think with his hand he should have passed 2♠ anyway. But he's a very enthusiastic bidder!'++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CyerYeti seems right: Just looking at the 2 hands, you both seem to have judged well, in the bidding, especially at match-points.You were unlucky that 2♠X made.[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Yes that's what my partner told me :unsure: . Thanks everyone for the feedback. We all get it wrong sometimes!partner knew when they doubled you might have to bid heats at 3-level.Why are you being shy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msjennifer Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 Sirs.perhaps quite a few ,if not all, moderns may open this hand 1NT. And then a 2S overcall would make things rather problematic.Any idea how to proceed acting honest (1NT openers hand does not deny a spade stopper) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo1201 Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 Sirs.perhaps quite a few ,if not all, moderns may open this hand 1NT. And then a 2S overcall would make things rather problematic.Any idea how to proceed acting honest (1NT openers hand does not deny a spade stopper)The OP plays weak NT from what I understand, si can’t open a strong NT. After a strong NT and a 2S over call, it is not an issue. Either N punts 3NT betting on a S stopper opposite, or he has a way (Lebensohl / Rubensohl) to show a GF hand w/o stop. Then you end up in 4 something which will not be a piece of cake either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekthen Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 The OP plays weak NT from what I understand, si can’t open a strong NT. After a strong NT and a 2S over call, it is not an issue. Either N punts 3NT betting on a S stopper opposite, or he has a way (Lebensohl / Rubensohl) to show a GF hand w/o stop. Then you end up in 4 something which will not be a piece of cake either. As a weak NT player, I would choose to open 1N AJxx is a lousy combo. Happy to regard this as a 14 count.I am a fan of opening minor before major on 4-4 hands but 1♥ is also fine, if that is your agreed style. While we all would dbl with one less spade and one more heart, I still prefer it to pass. It says I have points and no spade stop ok p will believe I have 4 cards in hearts, but life is messy. One rule that I ask my partners to obey, is when in doubt bid. Did we agree 1S 4H is a splinter? If in doubt bid! Is partners double penalty? If in doubt bid! Is 2N lebensohl or natural? If in doubt bid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 Sirs.perhaps quite a few ,if not all, moderns may open this hand 1NT. And then a 2S overcall would make things rather problematic.Any idea how to proceed acting honest (1NT openers hand does not deny a spade stopper)3NT values without a stopper (Lebensohl)will probably end up in 4C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardVector Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just out of curiosity, does opening 1♣ in Acol promise you having the balanced 15-17, or could you have a normalish distributional 12 count? After the negative double, I'm thinking you should bid 4♥, not 3. I'd bid 3h with xx Kxxx Kx AKxxx or something similar. Just as an aside, you didn't discuss with your partner how high your negative doubles go? I normally play them as "on" after every suit bid up to 4♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just out of curiosity, does opening 1♣ in Acol promise you having the balanced 15-17, or could you have a normalish distributional 12 count? After the negative double, I'm thinking you should bid 4♥, not 3. I'd bid 3h with xx Kxxx Kx AKxxx or something similar. 1C will either be 15+ balanced or unbalanced. Your example hand would open 1C, but it doesn't look much weaker than Pete_661's hand. Both are 3H bids. For what it's worth, I would have opened 1H. It seems to me to be pointless to agree to play 4-card majors, then choose to open a minor anyway with this hand. But I know that others have other opinions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardVector Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 1C will either be 15+ balanced or unbalanced. Your example hand would open 1C, but it doesn't look much weaker than Pete_661's hand. Both are 3H bids. For what it's worth, I would have opened 1H. It seems to me to be pointless to agree to play 4-card majors, then choose to open a minor anyway with this hand. But I know that others have other opinions!I think with my example hand you should bid 3h, but I disagree with the idea of bidding just 3h with the real hand. I agree with you that the auction was already messed up by not opening 1h. After messing it up, however, I think you need to show the extra value and hope that partner doesn't play you for a big 6/4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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