HeartA Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=n&n=sjxxhxdkxxcaxxxxx&s=sakqxxxhadjxxxckq]133|200|Scoring: IMPplay 2/1, South opened 1S and West overcall 3♥:S W N E1S 3♥ 3♠ P4♠ all passed[/hv] Who is (more) responsible for missing the 6♠?-----One more hand. [hv=d=s&v=n&n=sjxxhxdkxxcaxxxxx&s=sakqxxxhadjxxxckq]133|200|Scoring: IMPplay 2/1, South opened 1S and West overcall 3♥:S W N E1S 3♥ 3♠ P4♠ all passed[/hv]who is bid beyond game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoeless Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 West for bidding 3H? Guess since south is going to bid game anyway a cue of 4H is cheap and shows some inclination for slam. Can't see how north can be found at fault on this auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 No one.. because this is not a slam you want to be in. You need clubs 3-2, not AQ diams offside, and not spades 4-0. Less than 50%. With that said, I think south should probably make a try. North bid his hand with 3♠ (which shows a good single raise to a bad limit raise). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Hand 1) The brilliant layout of the cards? If you really want looking for slam with this kind of hand pair, open the South hand with 2C. Although the hand would not qualify as a 2C opener for me. But even then you will reach 6S only with a lot of overbidding. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 BOTH hands rely on the lay of the cards to get to slam IMHO Hand 1 I think BOTH bid well ---- neither had good D to Q so be happy not in slam :) Hand 2 MAYBE N is worth ONE more try at slam with a 4♠ Q bid but even then SLAM really depends on ALL the cards being right and I as S would REFUSE the invitation by bidding 5♥ :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 I think both are normal. I dont think you should bid slam with these hands. Be happy with a game. Dont forget bridge is a game:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Hand 1. South might have tried 4C instead of 4S. If North bids 4H, then better sign-off in 4S (possible heart wastage). If north cues 4D, South can try 4NT and shoot at 6. But then again, this isn't that hot a slam. Hand 2. If one is not playing serious/frivolous 3NT here, it's not easy to make a move. Forgetting that issue, if South bids 1H-2D-3H it would certainly be easier (I'm not saying South should do it, though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 1. Society. You really don't want to be in slam. 2. This is a bit better, especially if opps promise not to lead a black suit. South gets all the blame, if their is any to distribute, because he didn't bid 3NT (serious). North has no errand (4♠) when South is not serious about slam (cue bid instead of 3NT). Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 1. Nobody, you don't want such hands to play 6♠-1 because you don't have a 2nd round ♦ control: lead goes through the K, if they lead small, it can be from Qxxx or from Axxx (or worst xxx), so you'll have to choose and you'll choose wrong because luck isn't on your side in this game ;) 2. Still not a good slam imo. You'll probably either make or go -2. However, it depends on how you play such auctions. If you play serious 3NT, then south is to blame. If you don't play it, then North is imo to blame, since he has a 4♦ last train cuebid (shows ♠ stopper, asks one in ♦)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Isn't 6NT played by North on the first hand a good contract? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Isn't 6NT played by North on the first hand a good contract? ;) It is. 68% (clubs 3-2), but it would be a bit double dummy to get to NT. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Not sure if slam is good but I would bid 4♣ with south's cards. On hand 2 I would reopen with south's hand as well and go down to 5 or 6♥, why didn't north bid 4♥ instead of 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 In 2/1, 4H would deny a spade or club control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted May 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 1. Society. You really don't want to be in slam. 2. This is a bit better, especially if opps promise not to lead a black suit. South gets all the blame, if their is any to distribute, because he didn't bid 3NT (serious). North has no errand (4♠) when South is not serious about slam (cue bid instead of 3NT). Roland No serious 3NT or last train between partnership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 1) Slam it not good on hand one, with 3H bid... Diamonds offside and in 6NT clubs are not breaking...far less than 68% on this bidding. As I PM last nite I doubt very much missing this slam is losing bridge in the top class. 2) Alert, jumping on my high horse once again. One more reason to not bid 2/1 game force with these 12 HCP hands. Yes 1nt is a junkyard but putting more trash in it will not make it more 'junky" and makes your other auctions more constructive. 1H=1NT3H=3S4C=4H? At this point responder has shown strong slam interest across from what your 3h bid shows. Your options are:4S=RKC4NT= GENERAL VALUES, LAST TRAIN, 5D=CUEBID, OTHER LAST TRAINPASS5H=LOOKING FOR SECOND ROUND D CONTROL, LAST TRAIN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 on hand 1, i think south should look if anyone does, tho i'd probably just bid 4♥ or ♠ as north on hand 2, north's 4♥ bid denied a diamond control (i'm not real sure 4♦ is last train (somebody who knows, tell me)... why isn't it a diamond control?)... south's 4♣ bid denied a spade control... the question is, should south be serious or not about slam? he has 6 controls and 6 losers... partner rates to have a 6 or 7 loser hand after the 2♦ followed by the 3♥ bids, i think i'd have gotten fairly serious with those controls... i think if i *had* to blame someone it would be south for not looking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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