dickiegera Posted April 25, 2019 Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1cp2cp2np4c]133|100[/hv] [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1cp2cp2np4n]133|100[/hv] Playing inverted minors what should 4♣ show and what should 4NT show/ask? Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted April 25, 2019 Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 Depends totally on partnership agreements. Normally I would play 4nt as natural quantitative, 4c as keycard minorwood (unless I agreed kickback).It also depends somewhat on what 2nt shows, is this non-forcing 12-13, forcing unlimited, etc., which is also up to agreements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 25, 2019 Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 Depends what 2N shows, but I'd have thought without agreement if 2N was a weak notrump 4♣ or 4♦ should ask aces and 4N should be quantitative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spotlight7 Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1cp2cp2np4c]133|100[/hv] [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1cp2cp2np4n]133|100[/hv] Playing inverted minors what should 4♣ show and what should 4NT show/ask? Thank you Without other agreements, I like to use jump raise to suggest partner ask for keycards. I also strongly suggest Kickback. Bidding one above the trump suit at the 4 level is keycard. You might also try narrowing the opening ranges. 1m-2m-bidding the next step shows a min. hand Bidding two steps up is a GF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Depends totally on partnership agreements. Normally I would play 4nt as natural quantitative, 4c as keycard minorwood (unless I agreed kickback).It also depends somewhat on what 2nt shows, is this non-forcing 12-13, forcing unlimited, etc., which is also up to agreements. I do this too, but my 2NT rebid is a strong NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msjennifer Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1cp2cp2np4c]133|100[/hv] [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1cp2cp2np4n]133|100[/hv] Playing inverted minors what should 4♣ show and what should 4NT show/ask? Thank youSir,We play 4C as asking opener to cue bid up-the-line.4D as RKCB .4NT is quantitative.We use exactly the same bids for 1D-2D-2NT sequence.THANKS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msjennifer Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 I do this too, but my 2NT rebid is a strong NT.Sir,in that case how does the opener rebid with KQx-QJx-AJx-xxxx after 1C-2C ? Does he bid 3C ? Or is the hand opened 1NT(weak)_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 First question I should have asked, is the inverted minor GF ? and can it conceal 4M ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etha Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 http://squeezingthedummy.blogspot.com/2006/01/inverted-minors.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickiegera Posted April 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 First question I should have asked, is the inverted minor GF ? and can it conceal 4M ? Forcing to 3♣ and denies 4 card M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 Sir,in that case how does the opener rebid with KQx-QJx-AJx-xxxx after 1C-2C ? Does he bid 3C ? Or is the hand opened 1NT(weak)_ The latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pes_6 Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 Although I don't know exactly what mean your rebid 2nt, my opinion is that 4nt is RKC for ♣ (second sequence), and (first sequence) 4♣ take more place for cue-bidding to the farthest 5♣ if cue-bidding dosen't show good shape for slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 Although I don't know exactly what mean your rebid 2nt, my opinion is that 4nt is RKC for ♣ (second sequence), and (first sequence) 4♣ take more place for cue-bidding to the farthest 5♣ if cue-bidding dosen't show good shape for slam. 4nt as RKC for clubs sucks because it's just too high for safety with a lot of hands; if partner responds above 5c you are in slam. Which is why people use minorwood/kickback. Cue bidding can be started at the 3 level if you aren't using kickback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flinthos Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1cp2cp2np4c]133|100[/hv] [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1cp2cp2np4n]133|100[/hv] Playing inverted minors what should 4♣ show and what should 4NT show/ask? Thank you Despite the strength of 2NT (I prefer (11)12-14 balanced FF1R),I would play 4♣ as slam-going in clubs. Not asking partner for keycards but simply setting up a forcing auction and letting partner show his controls. I believe it's unnecessary to have a bid to ask for aces this early on in the auction. Furthermore, I would play 4NT as quantitative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 Despite the strength of 2NT (I prefer (11)12-14 balanced FF1R),I would play 4♣ as slam-going in clubs. Not asking partner for keycards but simply setting up a forcing auction and letting partner show his controls. I believe it's unnecessary to have a bid to ask for aces this early on in the auction. Early? You are at the four level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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