What is your rebid?

[HardVector]

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MP, club game. Assume you are playing 2/1 and 1n was forcing.

[TylerE]

Textbook 3♠ bid.

[smerriman]

Too strong for 3♠ for me, I'm bidding 3♦.

[hrothgar]

Too strong for 3♠ for me, I'm bidding 3♦.

 

I thought 3!D was stronger than 3!S

[Tramticket]

I thought 3!D was stronger than 3!S

 

I think that this is the point that smerriman was making. For me, this hand is worth a game force and 3♠ is strong but invitational.

[Trinidad]

3NT. GF, solid suit. There is no reason to limit this treatment to minor suit openings.

 

The problem hand is the one where the spade suit is not solid.

 

Rik

[Cyberyeti]

3NT. GF, solid suit. There is no reason to limit this treatment to minor suit openings.

 

The problem hand is the one where the spade suit is not solid.

 

Rik

 

Horrible bid, partner passes this with x, xxx, KQJxxx, xxx and you go off with 6♠ cold (if he doesn't pass reverse the minors and it's wrong to bid). I don't play WJS btw.

[sfi]

Horrible bid, partner passes this with x, xxx, KQJxxx, xxx and you go off with 6♠ cold (if he doesn't pass reverse the minors and it's wrong to bid). I don't play WJS btw.

 

You do realise those are not the only two possible hands for responder? 3NT looks like a lot better description than 3D.

[sfi]

MP, club game. Assume you are playing 2/1 and 1n was forcing.

 

2NT game-forcing and asking partner to describe their hand. If you don't play it that way, it's worth considering.

[Tramticket]

You do realise those are not the only two possible hands for responder? 3NT looks like a lot better description than 3D.

 

2-over-1 is not my system, but 3NT looks a pretty ugly bid to me.

 

How is responder to judge whether a random six-count contains useful values for NT (in this case a club stop) or wasted value and no club stop. I would rather bid 4♠ than 3NT - but a change of suit 3♦ at least gives some chances of choosing the right game.

 

May strong Acol-twos would get a better auction!

[hrothgar]

I think that this is the point that smerriman was making. For me, this hand is worth a game force and 3♠ is strong but invitational.

 

thanks. misread the original post

[Cyberyeti]

You do realise those are not the only two possible hands for responder? 3NT looks like a lot better description than 3D.

 

3♦ has the big advantage that I get to find out if partner has 5+ hearts which may well be the spot to play.

 

I will add I missed the "1N forcing", I know very little about bidding over that, but if 2N is forcing and I can do that, may solve some of the problem

[nige1]

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HardVector,writes 'MP, club game. Assume you are playing 2/1 and 1n was forcing.'

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With no special conventional agreements (e.g. Gazzilli), I rank

1. 3N = NAT. Reasonable game opposite typical weak hand e.g. ♠ x ♥ Q T x ♦ J x x ♣ J T x x x x.

2. 2N = NAT. but partner might pass with say ♠ x x ♥ x x x x ♦ K x x ♣ Q T x x.

3. 3♠ = INV. But partner might not expect 8 top tricks,

4. 3♦ = G/F. But a gullible partner might imagine that this shows 4+ ♦s. :)

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[gordontd]

What would a 4C rebid show? Of course you can't play 3NT after that, though you could play 4NT, but it does clarify a possible search for a slam.

[nige1]

What would a 4C rebid show? Of course you can't play 3NT after that, though you could play 4NT, but it does clarify a possible search for a slam.

Didn't think of Gordon's excellent auto-splinter, helping partner to evaluate the slam potential of hands like

♠ T x ♥ K x ♦ K Q x x ♣ J T x x x

[pescetom]

But I think that for most 2/1 players 3nt is not NAT (as discussed earlier) and 4C would be Gerber.

[HardVector]

2NT game-forcing and asking partner to describe their hand. If you don't play it that way, it's worth considering.

2n would not be game forcing. Would show a balanced 17-18 pt hand with 5 spades.

[HardVector]

What would a 4C rebid show? Of course you can't play 3NT after that, though you could play 4NT, but it does clarify a possible search for a slam.

4♣ as a self splinter is reasonable, but you give up on finding a heart fit. Give partner --- KQxxx♥ Kxxx♦ xxxx♣ and you've missed a heart slam.

[HardVector]

My personal preference is for 3♦. After 3♦, your partner bids 4♦. Now what?

[gszes]

When u look at your hand what are the plausible game/slam contracts? Once you have done that see if there is a way you can successfully explore the vast majority w/o risking the obvious 3n 4M contracts. If your 1n bid is unlimited there really is no limit as to how many tricks these hands are worth so exploration is even more important than merely taking up bidding room. If we start with 3d we start to accomplish several things. 1. We inform p we have a GF hand (replace the spade J with a small one and I would much prefer a 3s bid) 2. We leave open hearts spades diamonds and right sided NT as game/slam level contracts. 3. We keep the bidding lower which allows for the greatest amount of exploration w/o the risk of being passed out with game almost a certainty.

 

 

For those that feel 4c should be gerber please concoct a hand or two where that makes sense. I would vastly prefer 4c as a self splinter setting spades as trumps. If I were a queen stronger 4c would be my bid of choice.

 

 

3d = 10

4c = 8 better have good partnership agreements in place though

4s = 7 only because it is probably our best spot

3s = 6

2n = 4

2s = 3

2d = 2

3n = 1 I like 3n better than 2h for ex:) and that's assuming both partner play it as solid spades.

[Cyberyeti]

My personal preference is for 3♦. After 3♦, your partner bids 4♦. Now what?

 

I bid 4♠ showing this sort of thing, if partner bids 5♦ I probably bid 6

[pescetom]

For those that feel 4c should be gerber please concoct a hand or two where that makes sense. I would vastly prefer 4c as a self splinter setting spades as trumps. If I were a queen stronger 4c would be my bid of choice.

I said that 4C would probably be Gerber for most 2/1 players, not that it should be.

I quite like your proposal of a self splinter but I don't think many play it that way.

[nige1]

I said that 4C would probably be Gerber for most 2/1 players, not that it should be. I quite like your proposal of a self splinter but I don't think many play it that way.

Gordon's auto-splinter is fairly standard 2/1

4♣ as a self splinter is reasonable, but you give up on finding a heart fit. Give partner --- KQxxx♥ Kxxx♦ xxxx♣ and you've missed a heart slam.

Gordon's 4♣ auto-splinter would probably get you to 6M

[mikeh]

I am late to the thread and my suggested answer requires partnership agreement, but is, in my view, something regular partners ought to consider.

 

1S 1N 3C

 

this is either: a 2-suited hand with spades and clubs, or a 2- suited hand with spades and exactly 4 hearts, or a single-suited hand with spades, a trick short of a 2C opening bid. In all cases, it is gf.

 

Responder will usually (probably 90% or more) bid 3D as a relay to allow opener to describe his hand.

 

Over 3D: 3H is the 4 card heart suit, 3S the big spade hand, and both 3N and 4C are blacks: opener will bid 3N with 5=4 blacks, and will bid 4C with a marked 2-suiter with no interest in 3N.

 

This gadget solves a lot of problems.

 

Imagine you are responder with, say, 1=3=(4-5), with a weak 4 card minor. 1S 1N 3H...do you raise to 4H? Probably not best opposite a 5-4 hand. Do you bid 3N, and trust partner to pull to 4H with 5-5? Probably not best if he catches you with 10 minor cards. The gadget allows 1S 1N 3H to promise at least 5-5.

 

It is also great for the big one-suiters. Here, for example, if we bid 3D and catch a raise, we have no choice but to commit to 4S, which may well be the wrong game. This sort of hand is almost always good in 3N, but of course it is dangerous to commit to 3N over 1N. Were we to bid 3C, then over 3D bid 3S, we could comfortably pass 3N. Partner rates to have a soft hand. Yes, they may still run clubs, but the odds have swung in our favour, since partner, knowing of our hand type, chose 3N.

 

I learned this gadget from the Bridge World: named after Rubens, it is called Jeff's Magic Elixir.

[Cyberyeti]

I am late to the thread and my suggested answer requires partnership agreement, but is, in my view, something regular partners ought to consider.

 

1S 1N 3C

 

this is either: a 2-suited hand with spades and clubs, or a 2- suited hand with spades and exactly 4 hearts, or a single-suited hand with spades, a trick short of a 2C opening bid. In all cases, it is gf.

 

Responder will usually (probably 90% or more) bid 3D as a relay to allow opener to describe his hand.

 

Over 3D: 3H is the 4 card heart suit, 3S the big spade hand, and both 3N and 4C are blacks: opener will bid 3N with 5=4 blacks, and will bid 4C with a marked 2-suiter with no interest in 3N.

 

This gadget solves a lot of problems.

 

Imagine you are responder with, say, 1=3=(4-5), with a weak 4 card minor. 1S 1N 3H...do you raise to 4H? Probably not best opposite a 5-4 hand. Do you bid 3N, and trust partner to pull to 4H with 5-5? Probably not best if he catches you with 10 minor cards. The gadget allows 1S 1N 3H to promise at least 5-5.

 

It is also great for the big one-suiters. Here, for example, if we bid 3D and catch a raise, we have no choice but to commit to 4S, which may well be the wrong game. This sort of hand is almost always good in 3N, but of course it is dangerous to commit to 3N over 1N. Were we to bid 3C, then over 3D bid 3S, we could comfortably pass 3N. Partner rates to have a soft hand. Yes, they may still run clubs, but the odds have swung in our favour, since partner, knowing of our hand type, chose 3N.

 

I learned this gadget from the Bridge World: named after Rubens, it is called Jeff's Magic Elixir.

 

Nice gadget, what would you do if you didn't have this available ?