Bad bridge at the club

[akwoo]

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Spots approximate. 2.5 table game. Spades split 3-2. Flat board at 6S making 6, +1430

[steve2005]

Duck opening club lead to rectify count for squeeze.

Probably too deep.

[sfi]

Did they lose the same trick? I would be amused if one lost a diamond and the other a club.

[helene_t]

Forgot to unblock ♥A?

[Tramticket]

2.5 table game.

 

5-board sit-out?

[bedfordvan]

Hi Guys

 

If Spades split 3 2 there are 13 tricks to be had. Win Ace clubs cash Ace hearts draw trumps ending with queen cash king of hearts discarding losing club cash 10 diamonds and trump club to take rest.

 

This is unless there is some bidding to warn of extreme distribution.

 

cheers

[etha]

they claimed and had insane opponents and a mad td?

[pescetom]

they claimed and had insane opponents and a mad td?

 

The TD would not necessarily be mad - it depends upon level of player, precision of claim and the RA regulations.

[GrahamJson]

Diamond lead, draw trumps ending in hand, now there is no way over the the ♥K, so you have to lose a club. Easy.

[bedfordvan]

The second post by Steve specified a club lead. Irrespective of that whether a diamond or a club is led I still see the chance of 13 tricks. On a diamond lead win dummies 10 heart to Ace 2 rounds of trumps cross to dummies queen cash king of hearts discarding small club cross to ace of clubs. On club lead cash 2 top trumps in hand then ace hearts cross to queen spades discard losing club on king of hearts and ruff club to make 13

[Stephen Tu]

bedfordvan -- pretty much everyone reading this forum knows how to make 13 tricks trivially barring 4-1 spades offside (or 5-0 splits) or maybe 6-1 hearts on a diamond lead; you don't need to tell us how to do it, that wasn't the question. The astonishment/speculation is how two tables at the club managed to hold themselves to 12 when spades broke. 13 tricks is easy. 12 is hard.

[TylerE]

Maybe both saw that they had missed grand and thus played for a Jxxx trump split, and hooked the 10.

[miamijd]

MP pairs? Then bad play, as I would expect most pairs to be in 6S or 6NT.

 

IMP pairs? Then on a club lead, you only have 11 tricks if North has Jxxx of spades, so you probably should duck the club lead to set up numerous squeeze possibilities in a three-card ending with East having a spade, a heart, and a club, and West having KTx of spades. Making the contract is more important than making the uptrick at IMP pairs.

 

Cheers,

Mike

[Cyberyeti]

MP pairs? Then bad play, as I would expect most pairs to be in 6S or 6NT.

 

IMP pairs? Then on a club lead, you only have 11 tricks if North has Jxxx of spades, so you probably should duck the club lead to set up numerous squeeze possibilities in a three-card ending with East having a spade, a heart, and a club, and West having KTx of spades. Making the contract is more important than making the uptrick at IMP pairs.

 

Cheers,

Mike

 

No you have 12, A♥ then spade to dummy and if all follow another top spade, if all follow, draw the last trump and cross to ♦10 then ♥K ditching ♣. If either S shows out on the second or N on the first spade, you pitch your club on the ♥K and you still have 12.

[akwoo]

It was MPs.

 

I don't know what happened at the other table.

 

I was sitting South and led a spade from J9x. (East bid RKCB and did not ask for the Q. They play steps over 2C, so East had bid 2S and was declarer.)

 

Declarer drew trumps in 3 rounds, ending in dummy, then claimed. I asked for a line of play. Declarer took a couple seconds to figure it out, then said "I lead a diamond to my ten, and then ..." After another 5 seconds or so, I said "You've just blocked yourself from the king of hearts and have to lose a club. Making 6." I think she would've made the same mistake playing it out, and judging by her reaction, she did as well.

 

(IMHO, any pair playing RKCB should find the grand...)

[Cyberyeti]

(IMHO, any pair playing RKCB should find the grand...)

 

Our auction (Acol, 2/1 not GF)

 

1♠-2♥

2N(GF not necessarily balanced)-3♣ (lowest sensible natural-ish bid)

3♦-3♠(this denies a 6th heart so likely to be 3514)

4♣-4♥(both cues 1st or 2nd)

4N(aces)-5♦(1)

5♥(Q?)-6♠(already shown ♥K, don't have Q)

7♠

[pescetom]

Our minimalist auction (2/1 GF):

 

1♠ - 2♠

4♣ - 4♦ (both cues 1st or 2nd)

4♥ - 5♥ (E also shows odd keycards)

5NT - 6♣ (W lacks Q, E reassures)

7♠ - p

[Cyberyeti]

To add on the same theme we had a board today:

 

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You have plenty of entries to the south hand and no side suit losers, and both NS pairs contrived to go one off in 4♠ without a guarded ♠KJ offside.

[johnu]

To add on the same theme we had a board today:

 

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You have plenty of entries to the south hand and no side suit losers, and both NS pairs contrived to go one off in 4♠ without a guarded ♠KJ offside.

 

Pressed Submit before proofreading? :)

[Cyberyeti]

Pressed Submit before proofreading? :)

 

Not at all, I'm saying they managed to lose 4 tricks in those 2 suits, basically S has a load of minor suit winners.

[barmar]

I can easily see losing 2 trump tricks to the KJ doubleton offside. Run the 10 then finesse Q.

 

Or if there's a singleton J offside. Run the 10 and then try to drop the K.

 

I just checked the Bridge Encyclopedia's Card Combinations section. They say that the best play for 4 tricks is to cash the A then lead towards the Q; the odds of success are 78%. The play for the most tricks (which I suppose is what you should do at matchpoints) is to finesse the Q, but it doesn't say what to do the next time if it loses -- finesse or cash; I suppose this is an 8-ever, 9-never situation, so you should cash.

 

But they don't show the card combination with one of the spot cards being the 9, I wonder if that changes things?

[blackshoe]

I wish I could find my copy of Rudinesco's book, which I'm almost certain would have the answer to that. It's around here somewhere...