Doubled transfer

[ochinko]

Not that it's relevant to the question, but after 1NT we use transfers only for majors because we save 2Sp for a minor suit Stayman, and 2NT is a natural limited raise.

 

A nice idea borrowed from Mike Lawrence is that a completion of a transfer after a double implies 3 cards in the suit without promissing extra strength.

 

If you subscribe to that, what meaning would you place in a redouble? Does the suit or vulnerability matter?

 

Many thanks. Sorry if this has come out before.

 

Petko

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

XX = a decent 4 card suit, suggesting

to play

Pass = 3 or 4 cards in the suit but only

low ones

 

This fits wih the suggestion, that the completion,

promises 3 cards, because if you dont have 3

cards in partners suit, you have 3 card in the

other suits, ... well, as long as you dont open

off shape.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Echognome]

We play that 1NT could contain a singleton, so we play ROPI + 1, that is

XX = 1, P = 2, completion = 3, super-accept = 4. Since we only have a singleton on 4441 hands, partner should have an idea what to do.

 

You can vary that of course when playing a standard NT. A good pair that we played against played

XX = suggestion to defend (strongly suggesting xx), P = 2 without good defense to their suit, completion = 4, super-accept = 4.

 

By the way, after a pass, we play that XX by responder is a retransfer. A useful agreement in my opinion.

[joker_gib]

I play :

 

1NT-P-2♦/2♥ - dbl -

 

2♥/2♠ = 3 cards

Pass = at least one stopper in ♦/♥ (partner XX to redo the transfer)

XX = No fit, no stopper !

 

 

:)

Alain

[joker_gib]

I play :

 

1NT-P-2♦/2♥ - dbl -

 

2♥/2♠ = 3 cards

Pass = at least one stopper in ♦/♥ (partner XX to redo the transfer)

XX = No fit, no stopper !

 

 

:)

Alain

In general we have agreed that everytime an artificial bid is doubled, "pass" shows a stopper in the suit doubled and partner redouble to redo the artificial bid !

 

Example with stayman :

 

1NT -P- 2♣ - dbl -

 

Pass = stopper in ♣

2x = response to Stayman without ♣ stopper

 

You can try it, it works very well :blink:

 

Alain

[Echognome]

Interesting Alain, we play after stayman

 

1NT - (P) - 2♣ - X

?

 

XX = Strong suggestion to play in 2♣XX (either 4 really good clubs or 5+ clubs)

P = Suggestion to play in 2♣X (usually made on 4 not so good clubs)

2♦ = No 4 card major, no decent club holding.

else normal response.

 

In general, if they double an artificial bid, it can be a little complicated.

 

If it's a cuebid, then we play XX = 1st round control, Pass = 2nd round control.

 

If it's a western cuebid, then we play XX = No stopper, Pass = half stopper, (some level of NT = full stopper).

 

If it's keycard of any sort, (which is often made below 4NT for us), then we just carry on with our step responses starting with XX ROPIish).

[Fluffy]

My agreement is that 2♥/♠ shows 2 cards, 3♥/♠ shows 4, pass shows 3, adn redouble the will to play 2♦.

[joker_gib]

XX = Strong suggestion to play in 2♣XX (either 4 really good clubs or 5+ clubs)

P = Suggestion to play in 2♣X (usually made on 4 not so good clubs)

OK, but do you really think that it's important to make a difference between strong suggestion and suggestion !?!? :)

 

I really prefer to know if there is a stopper or not ! :blink:

 

Alain

[Echognome]

OK, but do you really think that it's important to make a difference between strong suggestion and suggestion !?!? :blink:

You clearly haven't seen some of the hands my partner opens 1NT on! :)

[Gerben42]

Pass = doubleton, no stopper

Redbl = doubleton, stopper (corollary - at least 3 cards in X)

complete = 3+cards

[joker_gib]

Pass = doubleton, no stopper

Redbl = doubleton, stopper (corollary - at least 3 cards in X)

complete = 3+cards

I prefer my way because after redbl to show doubleton + stopper partner is not able to retransfer :)

 

Alain

[Cascade]

I play a different style which I find effective after the double of our transfer.

 

Since the double is often aimed at showing the transfer suit we can often anticipate further competition. Therefore we use the extra step to show hands that would be happy to compete to the three-level i.e. not defensive values.

 

So we use the three bids - pass, redouble and completion of the transfer to show two-cards, three-cards with defensive values and three-cards with offensive values.

 

Obviously you can permute these means if you wish.

[Guest Jlall]

Bramley recently told me he plays a system that can show 2 or 3 trumps (4=super accept) AND min or max over the X. I didn't ask for specifics but that seems most useful.

[pigpenz]

I had one last night playing in the main room

 

1NT pass 2♣ double

Redouble

 

♠ J732

♥QJ

♦AK2

♣AJ96

 

partner wasnt happy that I redoubled :ph34r:

Pard said I should have bid my 4 card major :rolleyes:

My contention is that I am saying a have 4 good clubs and if you want we may be able to make it on high cards and the clubs.

[Guest Jlall]

XX is ok with that hand. The problem is your pard might bid 3N over it and you dont know if you have a spade fit or not. One could argue he should bid 3C as "restayman" but I usually just play XX denies a 4 card major.

[awm]

Often the stopper in the enemy suit (presumably the suit they doubled for) is one of the keys to the hand. If opener passes, and this just denies three-card support, it makes it difficult for partner to continue with an invite. How to distinguish between inviting with or without a stopper? In my experience the knowledge that opener has 3+ card support also encourages opponents to compete when otherwise they might not. A focus on stopper/no stopper is also critical when the stayman is doubled.

 

Anyways, I've recently been playing the following:

 

Redouble = Business, want to play redoubled contract

Pass = Denies a stopper; for transfers also denies 3+ card support

Normal bid (accept transfer, or stayman response) = "there will be no problem if you bid 2NT/3NT next"

 

So accepting a transfer promises either a fit or a stopper, responding to stayman promises a stopper.

 

This nicely avoids the problem of what responder should do with an invite (if opener completes the transfer, go ahead and bid 2NT, if partner passes and you have no help then you know notrump is not playable, and you can either rebid 3M or take the passive route with no fit and no stopper and just play 2M). It also means opponents compete at their own risk, since opener has EITHER a fit (good to compete) or no fit plus a trump trick (very bad to compete).

 

In any case, if opener passes, then redouble by responder is "please make your normal response partner."

[pigpenz]

XX is ok with that hand. The problem is your pard might bid 3N over it and you dont know if you have a spade fit or not. One could argue he should bid 3C as "restayman" but I usually just play XX denies a 4 card major.

My problem is that the weaker hands by responder (2♣ bideer) are the ones that lead to trouble, the stronger ones we are more likely to make 2♣xx on high strength alone.

 

I remember back in the seventies playing at Bridge Week in Pasadena to never not play 2♣ xx again, cause at matchpoints pairs were doubling 2♣ for ridiculous reasons. So if one has good clubs RECRANK it.

[Guest Jlall]

I'm a big fan of punishing the stupid lead directing Xs, just make sure it doesn't hinder your constructive bidding, IE have methods to find a 4-4 major suit fit after a XX if you can redouble with a 4M