Heavy misunderstanding

[Finanzier]

The next hand ended in disaster.

 

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Obviously something was wrong. I as South thought North would show at least 5-5 in spades and a minor and expected a 6♠ bid not 7 ♣.

 

My partner claimed that 4 ♥would only show a chicane in heart, and so would be bid internationally.

 

Apart from the fact that my 6 heart bid was showish, which of us two was wrong? Or were we both erroneous?

[pescetom]

I would expect 5-5 spades and a minor. But I don't think there's any real standard meaning, so it's not a good bid to make without agreement.

[rmnka447]

If you believe partner is 5-5 ♠ and a minor, how about bidding 5 NT -- two places to play. If partner bids 6 ♦, you can try 6 ♠. But if partner bids 6 ♣ you pass choosing to play in your probable 10+ card fit rather than your 9+ card fit.

 

However, I have no sympathy for your partner's bidding. 4 ♥ is likely to push your side to the 5 level unless you have a ♠ fit. If you bid 4 ♠, there's no guarantee you have any more than 4 of them in a hand of unknown strength.

 

IMO, the right bid with partner's hand is 4 ♣.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

in case you play forcing Nonleaping Michaels, which is the standard way of playing,

it makes sense to play 4H as some kind of big T/O.

But you should have agreed / discussed this before hand.

For us, 4H would be a Michaels Cue, and we play Nonleaping Michaels, but nonforcing.

 

I dont see, what is wrong with 4C or 5C with the North hand.

The hand is nice, but those bids show already nice hands.

I think 5NT is a better bid than 6H, even if you assume 4H showes spade + ?, the plan

being to bid 6H over 6m, in case you want to try for the grand.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[helene_t]

4♥ should certainly not show a void in hearts. You need to find a fit so you show which suit you have length in.

 

Besides, the North hand is too weak to force to 5-level.

 

4♣ is normal. If 4♣ is leaping Michaels, presumably 4♥ would show both minors, but a take-out double is better.

 

I think your 6♥ bid is reasonable but as rnmka447 says, 5NT is probably the expert bid.

[TylerE]

N is on Neptune.

[Finanzier]

♥Thank you for your comments.

I agree, that 5NT is better to investigate grand. If I bid 6♥ I can equal well close with 6♠, but the bidding picture 3♥-4♥-5♥-6♥ was too tempting :rolleyes: