plypoin Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 [hv=pc=n&s=shj72d7c&w=shdc&n=s2h3d52c&e=s3h8dc73]399|300[/hv]♥ as TrumpWest had no diamond left. South stated "We have all the trump, the rest of the trick is mine". North on lead.East called for TD, claiming he had one trick for the trump ( as south wasn't aware of outstanding trump).Ruling ? Would your ruling be different if North have no remaining trump ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pran Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 [hv=pc=n&s=shj72d7c&w=shdc&n=s2h3d52c&e=s3h8dc73]399|300[/hv]♥ as TrumpWest had no diamond left. South stated "We have all the trump, the rest of the trick is mine". North on lead.East called for TD, claiming he had one trick for the trump ( as south wasn't aware of outstanding trump).Ruling ? Would your ruling be different if North have no remaining trump ?2 -it is at all likely that claimer at the time of his claim was unaware that a trump remained in an opponent’s hand, and3 -a trick could be lost to that trump by any normal* play.*Footnote: For the purposes of Laws 70 and 71, “normal” includes play that would be careless or inferior for the class of player involved.For a player who believes "We have all the trump" it is perfectly normal to enter his hand with a Diamond lead from Dummy.If he were aware of the outstanding trump it would be utterly careless, but still "normal" as defined in the footnote to do so. Ruling: One trick to the defence. And no, it would not make any difference if North have no remaining trump. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 I'm wondering if there might be a language issue here as "We have all the trump" is not how an English speaker would say it. Plypoin, where are you from and where is the claimer from ? I'm wondering if this is somebody thinking they've effectively said "drawing trumps". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 That's my take as well, CY. At the very least I think the claim states an order of play, e.g. trumps first, and since he's in dummy and has a trump to lead there, I think the line of play is lead a trump and then cover the 8 with the J. I would have a word with S about sloppy claims certainly, but I can't see myself giving the defense a trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weejonnie Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 Since English is the official language of bridge, I would argue that it is up to all players to know English to a sufficiently high standard for their meanings to be understood. If the words "We have all the trump" have a doubtful meaning then we rule against the claimer as per law 70. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axman Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 Since English is the official language of bridge, I would argue that it is up to all players to know English to a sufficiently high standard for their meanings to be understood. If the words "We have all the trump" have a doubtful meaning then we rule against the claimer as per law 70.Well, a lot of arrogance goes a long way...but in what direction? There is something to be said for writing in bridge when one does not have command of the tongue of the day; but when it comes to claims, in such a situation best advice is to not claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weejonnie Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 Well, a lot of arrogance goes a long way...but in what direction? There is something to be said for writing in bridge when one does not have command of the tongue of the day; but when it comes to claims, in such a situation best advice is to not claim.Well if French was the official language of bridge, I am sure I wouldn't claim as I don't know the correct words to say. I am not arrogant, just stating my opinion. Dura lex sed lex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 Well, someone involved in the original post is not fluent in English, since there are several errors involving pluralization. It should be "We have all the trumps, the rest of the tricks are mine." We don't know if the problem was with the player or the poster reporting it (I suspect the poster, as he has similar errors in the rest of the text). In fact, do we even know if the conversation was actually in English, or did the OP translate it for our benefit? He's apparently from Indonesia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgoddard Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 Since English is the official language of bridge . . . I would like to know where this is specified. I have looked at the current laws, and at the WBF site without finding such a specification. If it is specified, is it so for all areas? or do different regions specify other languages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 "English is the official language of bridge" is, I believe, somewhere in WBF regulations, and I think also in ACBL regulations (general conditions of contest maybe). Being regulations, the statement only applies in the jurisdiction of the regulating authority promulgating that regulation. I doubt that English is the official language of bridge in any non-English speaking country. There is nothing in the laws about the language(s) spoken at the table, or to a director or appeals body. As for the ruling in the OP case, I agree with Sven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgoddard Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 "English is the official language of bridge" is, I believe, somewhere in WBF regulationsThanks - I found in the General conditions of contest:WORLD BRIDGE FEDERATION GENERAL CONDITIONS OF CONTESTFor all World Championships and other Tournaments held under the auspicesof the World Bridge Federation...4. Official LanguageEnglish is the official language of a World Bridge Championship. During a match the players may converse only in English unless both captains (in team games) or all four players at the table (in pairs events) agree to use some other common language at their own risk. If necessary, each captain is responsible for the provision of an interpreter for translation into English.which (as noted by Blackshoe) does not make it universal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weejonnie Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 Thanks - I found in the General conditions of contest: which (as noted by Blackshoe) does not make it universal.OK mea culpa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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