sceptic Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=a&n=skq643hd976caqt74&w=s987hk97542dakjc8&e=sajt2haqj83dq42c2&s=s5ht6dt853ckj9653]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - - - Pass 1♥ Dbl 4♣ Pass 4♦ Pass 4♥ 5♣ Pass Pass 5♥ Pass Pass Pass OK, I was playing 2/1 and jacoby 2NT and reverse bergen The partner I am playing with is not the Partner I am having a debate with about this hand, can you comment on the following 1/. what do you think of this auction 2/. would 3 spades be a splinter after the x 3/. Should I bid 4 spades and not 4 hearts 4/. do you think Jacby 2NT is better than the 4 club splinter 5/. what do you think of 5 Heart bid (contract made by the way) 6/. do you think I would have been better x'ing the 5 club bid? 7/. is there any advantage in bidding 1 spade over the x Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 4C is textbook. West should have signed off in 4H. He has no extra values, a bad 6 card suit, spades are wide open, and partner's singleton is worthless to him. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 4c is fine I too end up in 5H. One more reason to play splinter as showing around 7 LTC hand. Not that easy a hand to bid after 4C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 1/. what do you think of this auction It is not bad, if you play that way. I prefer 4♣ to be a fit jump showing a club suit and a heart fit. 2/. would 3 spades be a splinter after the x No, it really should be a fit jump. 3/. Should I bid 4 spades and not 4 hearts Absolutely. You are looking at a spade control and GREAT hearts. It is hard to imagine your partner will be able to continue over 4♥ with you having those goodies (because he doesn't have them). 4/. do you think Jacby 2NT is better than the 4 club splinter Well, technically, Jacoby 2NT is if your RHO passed. Once he doubled, the 2NT bid is usually called Jordon 2NT or something similar. Yes, I would have bid 2NT. 5/. what do you think of 5 Heart bid (contract made by the way) I am not sure why you got a chance to bid it. Your partner has a sixth heart, a short club to match your shortness, great diamonds. For your 4♣ splinter, you must have good values in the majors, plus the short club. His hand is offensive, he should have bid 5♥ rather than forcing pass. OF course, in your seat, if your partner doesn't want to double 5♣, neither do you. 6/. do you think I would have been better x'ing the 5 club bid? No. I wouldn't have stopped in 4♥ anyway, and I am certainly not going to double five clubs from my side of the table. 7/. is there any advantage in bidding 1 spade over the x No. You want to play in hearts. Tell partner now. If 4♣ is splinter, fine, tell him that way. If not, use 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 1/. what do you think of this auction 1♥ and 4♣ are fine bids. West really shouldn't be cooperating with the slam try here though (the 4♦ splinter is pushing) and once west DOES cooperate, I think east needs to cue 4♠. 2/. would 3 spades be a splinter after the x Yes. It's certainly possible to play fit jumps as Ben suggests, but these are not standard, and with many partners I play only single jumps as fit (double jumps as splinter). Without prior agreement I think 3♠ is certainly a splinter. 3/. Should I bid 4 spades and not 4 hearts Yes. Give opener a hand like: ♠ Kx♥ Kxxxx♦ AKx♣ xxx and 6♥ is ice cold. I don't think that with poor trumps and no first round control in any suit but diamonds, you can necessarily blame opener for failing to make a second cue over the 4♥ signoff. With five trumps, your splinter could probably be the same hand minus the spade ace (and then opener must pass). 4/. do you think Jacby 2NT is better than the 4 club splinter The 4♣ splinter is fine. It's not a clear decision (unless you play all jumps fit-showing). 5/. what do you think of 5 Heart bid (contract made by the way) Like Ben says, west knows opponents have an 11-card fit and you have at least 10, and should be bidding 5♥ himself. With that said, easts 5♥ is also right. 6/. do you think I would have been better x'ing the 5 club bid? No, 5♣ is off two for 500. In general with shortage in the opponents suit, an extra trump, and good controls, it is probably better to go to the five level. 7/. is there any advantage in bidding 1 spade over the x No, 1♥-1♠ (or 1♥-X-1♠) is one of the worst auctions in standard bridge. The problem is that the spade bid carries a wide range of strength and it can be difficult to effectively set hearts and force game later in the auction. In competition especially, "support with support" is often a good rule. Suppose the auction goes 1♥-X-1♠-3♣-P-P to you. If you cuebid clubs, it's not totally clear what the strain is. If you bid 3♥ it's probably not forcing. If you bid 4♥ it shuts partner out and could miss a good slam. There are any number of such situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 What do you think of this bidding? South's bid is inadmisible, really can't understand. 4♣ is automatic, 4♦ is debatable, but I will give it the benefit of the doubt, 5♥ is a guess, a successful guess and won't argue with success. What would 3♠ be? splinter of course. What about 4♠ instead of 4♥? You shouoldn't bid 4♠ if your splinter bids are unlimited, ONLY if they are limited to 15 then 4♠ is in order. Jacoby? No way, jacoby denies a singleton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 I hope Fluffy is not suggesting Jacoby or versions of strong 2nt replies deny singleton. The main purpose of splinters is to limit responder hand and show shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted May 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 interesting I never thought that 4!C was limiting, I thought it was shape description only and slam interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 It is for many people wayne. And yes Mike 2NT denies singleton, it did in the original jacoby as long as I know and it always will for me. If you wanna play limited splinter then play 3NT as serious splinter instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 If I remember correctly, Oswald stopped playing this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 4C is good, though you have to realize that you could be a little weaker, but not better. 4D is too aggressive, since 4C is limited. After 4D, I would go to slam with the east hand (given that we only miss 1 keycard). I don't like the bidding by souh either. If you want to bid clubs, do it earlier. Here east-west have a lot of information and should know what is best. I think the way 5H was bid is not correct. You have told partner about your stiff, and it is partner who should be making the decision. Therefore, I nominate as worst bid the pass by WEST over 5C. Whether you want to play 3S and/or 4C as splinters or fit showing jumps is something you should decide with partner. Either is fine I think, I play them both as fit-showing. If you play 4C as a splinter, then I recommend that you play 3S also as a splinter, you have 2S available as a fit showing jump. Bidding 1S over the double is a bad idea imo, try never to hide 5-card support. whew, I think I gave an answer to all questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 the east hand seems perfect for an over jump shift, 12/13-15 with shortness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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