Not goulash, but still a hearty dish

[pescetom]

Friday evening MP tournament, sitting in East this robust hand turned up.

 

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System is a fairly natural 2/1 5-card major, partner is inexperienced but promising and a precise bidder.

 

The natural bid is 1♣, although the possible rebids are not all plain sailing. But opening 2♣ is not going to help here and it's well outside our agreements for 2NT, even if one doesn't need K&R to see it is more like 21 than 17 points. So I guess it has to be 1♣ (2+cards, denies 5-card major). Partner responds 1♠ (4+ cards, does not deny 4-card ♦).

Your rebid here?

[ahydra]

3C (low road) or 3N (high road)

 

Essentially if partner has 2 clubs you want to be in 3N, if he has 0-1 clubs you need him to help stop whichever red suit they lead. The odds of the latter are pretty high and it's not teams so I'd just bid 3C. (At IMPs and this vul it would be 3N all day every day)

 

ahydra

[Tramticket]

Cyberyeti will bid 2NT. :)

 

I am happy to bid 3NT, which shows this type of hand in my partnership.

[pescetom]

Cyberyeti will bid 2NT. :)

 

I am happy to bid 3NT, which shows this type of hand in my partnership.

 

3NT with this partner is undefined, presumably deprecated although he does play 4 card majors on the side B-).

My usual style is that it shows fit in spades and an unidentified void.

[nige1]

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I rank

1. 3N = NAT with good ♣s. Highly descriptive as TramTicket recommends.

2. 2♦ = REV. If you are going to manufacture a reverse, then better a minor than a major

3. 2N = BAL 17+-19. 3N is the most likely game.

4. 3♣ = NAT. But 3N might make opposite a Yarborough. ♠ x x x x x ♥ x x x ♦ x x ♣ x x x [/hv]

[pescetom]

But 3N might make opposite a Yarborough. ♠ x x x x x ♥ x x x ♦ x x ♣ x x x

 

You have a promising future convincing the EC to accept the Italian budget B-)

But yes, it's food for thought - the hand is near game on it's own.

[Cyberyeti]

Cyberyeti will bid 2NT. :)

 

I am happy to bid 3NT, which shows this type of hand in my partnership.

 

Entirely correct, I will bid 2N unbalanced GF, 3N would be exactly 4414 and big for us.

[neilkaz]

3NT shows this for me.

[ggwhiz]

3NT shows this for me.

 

Me too. Makes opposite the spade ace and a club loser if they lead something that splits 4-4.

 

BTW, your 3nt bid to show spade support and a side void, really? Somebody do an autopsy on your opponents.

[nekthen]

This is a multi 2♦ for me. 9 playing tricks in a minor. Assuming that’s not available I rebid 3♣

1. I want partner to declare 3N

2. I do not want to give up on slam

 

Clearly 3♣ and 3N show similar hands, I think 3N indicates more of a gamble with stoppers that need protecting

[PhilG007]

Friday evening MP tournament, sitting in East this robust hand turned up.

 

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System is a fairly natural 2/1 5-card major, partner is inexperienced but promising and a precise bidder.

 

The natural bid is 1♣, although the possible rebids are not all plain sailing. But opening 2♣ is not going to help here and it's well outside our agreements for 2NT, even if one doesn't need K&R to see it is more like 21 than 17 points. So I guess it has to be 1♣ (2+cards, denies 5-card major). Partner responds 1♠ (4+ cards, does not deny 4-card ♦).

Your rebid here?

 

I would rebid 3♣ and pass the buck to partner. 3NT is tempting but the short red suits worry me as one of them

is almost certain to be led. And what if the clubs break badly? No 3♣ is the correct rebid and let partner make the final choice

[Tramticket]

This is a multi 2♦ for me. 9 playing tricks in a minor. Assuming that’s not available I rebid 3♣

1. I want partner to declare 3N

2. I do not want to give up on slam

You count this hand as 9 playing tricks?

 

I understand your argument that 3NT may play better with partner declaring. But I disagree that 3NT is giving up on slam if you have the agreement that 3NT shows length and strength in clubs - it can often pinpoint the minor suit slam.

[RD350LC]

I would rebid 3♣ and pass the buck to partner. 3NT is tempting but the short red suits worry me as one of them

is almost certain to be led. And what if the clubs break badly? No 3♣ is the correct rebid and let partner make the final choice

For me, it is a close decision between 3♣ and 3NT. I am more likely to bid 3♣ for the reason described above.

[rmnka447]

I'm rebidding 3 ♣ as there is no assurance ♣ will run if partner has no fit.

[pescetom]

So no real surprises so far.

I preferred 3♣ which is open to 3NT and I hope hints for more.

Partner replied 3♥. :blink:

 

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Now?

[Tramticket]

Now?

 

Now you are guessing, wishing that you had bid 3NT last time. You can bid 3NT - but now opps KNOW to lead a diamond. Maybe partner has six spades? Maybe partner has a club fragment and 6C is there?

 

I guess 3S.

[helene_t]

3NT (after 1♠) is about right. Not perfect - partner will expect a singleton spades and may remove it to 5/6♣ with weak spades.

[ahydra]

If you have a way to show a good 3/6 (i.e. the Hand of Death), then 3S now stands out as it must show a doubleton. Otherwise, I bid 3NT.

 

ahydra

[gszes]

What strain r we playing in and how high? The best way to start this type of search would appear to be the fake reverse of 2d. This bid keeps the bidding low and Cyber's GF 2n at least keeps the bidding open but I still am not happy with losing an entire level of bidding when such a simple reverse is available. Partner has already bypassed diamonds so there should be no real danger in bidding 2d.

[The_Badger]

What strain r we playing in and how high? The best way to start this type of search would appear to be the fake reverse of 2d. This bid keeps the bidding low and Cyber's GF 2n at least keeps the bidding open but I still am not happy with losing an entire level of bidding when such a simple reverse is available. Partner has already bypassed diamonds so there should be no real danger in bidding 2d.

 

Apologies, George, but I normally agree with your posts, but the problem I feel with bidding 2♦ here is when partner has 5♠s + 5♦s. Is he going to respond 1♦ to 1♣?

 

Fake reverses are fine as long as you don't become unstuck later. I agree with the other commentators that either 3♣ or 3NT are the only rebids depending on style.

[pescetom]

Partner's bid of 3♥ was a surprise but on reflection also a relief, not only is he still there but also forcing to game. Yes my diamonds are vestigial and 6-card spades looks unlikely, but I'm comfortable to bid 3♠ which invites a control-bid.

 

In the meantime discussions here are diverging, so I guess it's time to take a step back and show both hands.

 

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Partner has some tasty ingredients too :P

How would bidding proceed in your partnership and to what contract?

[Cyberyeti]

1♣-1♠

2N(GF unbal)-3♥(5+5)

3N(at most 2-2 majors, either single suit clubs or secondary diamonds in a (12)46 or similar)-4♦(cue, but in the nature of a tell me something sensible)

4♠(partner could be 6-5 but not 5-6)-4N(KC, bid like this, it's very difficult to visualise a hand that doesn't have 3 aces, but we'll check)

5♣(0/3)-5♥(K)

6♣(K)-6♦(Q)

7♠

 

You can write partner down for AKQxx(x), Kxxxx, KQ(x), (x)

 

He may or may not have ♠10, ♥/♣Q (although he prob bids the grand with either of those)

 

If he has ♠10, the grand is on both majors 4-2 or better and you might get away with N having 2 hearts and 5 spades depending on the lead. If he has a 6th spade with the 10 it's almost cold, 6 without the 10 it's more than decent.

 

If he doesn't have any useful extras it's not so good, and you will need to guess well, but it's far from terrible

[gszes]

Apologies, George, but I normally agree with your posts, but the problem I feel with bidding 2♦ here is when partner has 5♠s + 5♦s. Is he going to respond 1♦ to 1♣?

 

Fake reverses are fine as long as you don't become unstuck later. I agree with the other commentators that either 3♣ or 3NT are the only rebids depending on style.

 

 

We have the entire 2 and 3 level to discover where we want to play. If p does not care for NT after 2d it is almost always going to be wrong and we have lots of exploration space to discover where and how high we want to go. If partner is exactly 55 !S!D we can always convert any dia contract to spades and wont often be worse off.

[pescetom]

Our bidding went:

1♣ - 1♠

3♣ - 3♥

3♠ (fit, invites control bid) - 4♣ (control - must be void; interested)

4♦ (control) - 4♥ (control - must be K)

5♣ (control; 1 or 3 keycards) - 5♦ (control - must be K)

5♥ (control) - 6♦ (control - must be Q; have remaining keycards; have Q trumps)

7♠

 

Much like cyberyeti, I can write partner down for AKQxx(x) Kxxx(x) KQ(x) void, and the same risks. I can stop in 6♠, correct to 6NT or go for the grand. I expect most of the field to be in 6NT, but 7♠ has a fighting chance and partner deserves his moment of glory.

[pescetom]

Is he going to respond 1♦ to 1♣?

Another partner of mine (less steeped in italian natural bidding) said he would have responded 1♦ rather than 1♠ - It has its merits in this situation.

 

 

I'm a bit surprised that nobody is bidding to 6NT in more traditional ways here. I'd bet at least one pair in my club bid

1♣ - 1♠

3NT - 6NT