So this just happened

[jammen]

In an uncontested auction I bid 1♦-2♣-2♦-2♠- 3♣- 3♦- 4nt- 5nt- 7♦. 4nt was kc blackwwood in diamonds. Bot replied 5nt showing 2 kcs and a void. I bid 7♦ holding void,AJx,KJ1098xx,Axx. dummy(in the truest sense of the word) tabled Kxxx,void,Qxx, KQ1098. Where are the 2 keycards promised? I'm used to going down in my overbid grands but not off the Ace of trumps.

[smerriman]

5NT doesn't show 2 keycards. It shows an even number of keycards.

[wbartley]

Does anyone besides me think it's a bad idea to force to slam with zero keycards?

[pescetom]

Let me defend the robots for once.

 

In an uncontested auction I bid 1♦-2♣-2♦-2♠- 3♣- 3♦- 4nt- 5nt- 7♦. 4nt was kc blackwwood in diamonds. Bot replied 5nt showing 2 kcs and a void. I bid 7♦ holding void,AJx,KJ1098xx,Axx. dummy(in the truest sense of the word) tabled Kxxx,void,Qxx, KQ1098. Where are the 2 keycards promised? I'm used to going down in my overbid grands but not off the Ace of trumps.

I must be missing something here.

GIB bid clubs, then spades, then diamonds, so his void could only be in hearts.

GIB showed even KC which could be either no Ace or both A♠ and A♦, and you assumed the latter for some reason?

 

 

 

Does anyone besides me think it's a bad idea to force to slam with zero keycards?

GIB has 5 losers and a fit, enough to force to game even with zero keycards and 10 HCP.

After that it wasn't GIB that asked RKCB, or bid rashly after the reply.

It's a bidding system choice to "force to slam" with a void after RKCB, perhaps a bad idea but blame Kantar not GIB.

And the slam here was making, if only the human didn't overbid to grand :)

[nullve]

dummy(in the truest sense of the word) tabled Kxxx,void,Qxx, KQ1098.

It would certainly have been less dumb to table 13 cards.

[jammen]

It would certainly have been less dumb to table 13 cards.

Great catch. Let's add another club. However, if the missing card was the A♦ then dummy would have had his original forcing to game 2♣ response.

[msjennifer]

In an uncontested auction I bid 1♦-2♣-2♦-2♠- 3♣- 3♦- 4nt- 5nt- 7♦. 4nt was kc blackwwood in diamonds. Bot replied 5nt showing 2 kcs and a void. I bid 7♦ holding void,AJx,KJ1098xx,Axx. dummy(in the truest sense of the word) tabled Kxxx,void,Qxx, KQ1098. Where are the 2 keycards promised? I'm used to going down in my overbid grands but not off the Ace of trumps.

Tragedy of an error.BOT is not always trustworthy.

[nullve]

5N was alerted as

Even number of keycards and some void -- 5+ ♣; 3+ ♦; 4+ ♠; 12+ HCP; 13+ total points

Btw, why respond 2♣ instead of 1♠ with

 

Kxxx

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Qxx

KQT98x

 

?

[jammen]

Well, I would if I thought that I had a game forcing 10 coint. But if I had forced to game I'd certainly have put the brakes on with zero keycards.

[smerriman]

But if I had forced to game I'd certainly have put the brakes on with zero keycards.

And then you would have missed a cold slam? Like pescetom I'm with GIB here.

 

We've already established that the alert was correct, so the main thing being debated is whether GIB should show its void or not. It seems to me this will gain more often than it loses.

[jammen]

And then you would have missed a cold slam? Like pescetom I'm with GIB here.

 

We've already established that the alert was correct, so the main thing being debated is whether GIB should show its void or not. It seems to me this will gain more often than it loses.

 

I don't know why you think that I would have missed a cold slam? If I had gotten 0 keycards I still would have been in 6♦. Staying out of a grand off the A of trumps is the only issue here.