pescetom Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 A class room problem: you are in South playing 6 spades, diamond Queen lead. [hv=pc=n&d=n&s=sakj9765had3ca642&w=sth86542dqjt9ck97&n=sq32hqjtdak62cj53&e=s84hk973d8754cqt8]300|300|[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Badger Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 I won't post a solution but it's a case of recognising that finesses can be manipulated by throwing a card or cards that block a suit, and by doing so provides discards for losing cards. That hasn't given it away, has it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 Cute hand, but don't post play problems double dummy unless it's... a double dummy problem 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bravejason Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 I’m stumped, even with Badgers clue. The only line of play I could find was to win the diamond lead, play the heart queen, and then play North’s remaining heart honors until one of them wins. However, this doesn’t work because there aren’t enough entries to North unless East plays the king on the first round of hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 I’m stumped, even with Badgers clue. The only line of play I could find was to win the diamond lead, play the heart queen, and then play North’s remaining heart honors until one of them wins. However, this doesn’t work because there aren’t enough entries to North unless East plays the king on the first round of hearts. You've identified the problem! Can you figure out the solution? Clearly winning 1 diamond and playing hearts doesn't work due to entries, as you have correctly identified... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 Cute hand, but don't post play problems double dummy unless it's... a double dummy problem For some people, this is a single dummy problem. For others, it is a double dummy problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 It's not even like there's a possible finesse to take where the card is offside... you just have to find the right line to overcome the entry problem. DD just distracts from this in my opinion. Anyway that's neither here nor there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted September 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 It's not even like there's a possible finesse to take where the card is offside... you just have to find the right line to overcome the entry problem. DD just distracts from this in my opinion.I usually do post SD first then DD later, but in this case I thought DD did not help much anyway. An intermediate is likely to still have difficulty in eliminating the impossible to embrace the unlikely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted September 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 Duplicate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perfectbid Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 play ♦A, ♦K and drop ♥A on ♦K. run ♥Q discarding a ♣ if East does not cover. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirleyMqz Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 I got this by remembering the lesson of the tenth chapter of a book by George Coffin. Now there's an obscure hint for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thawp66 Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 It’s always a SD problem, since it doesn’t matter who has the !H K. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 play ♦A, ♦K and drop ♥A on ♦K. run ♥Q discarding a ♣ if East does not cover.Correct In real play, I've only seen one hand where discarding an ace might have been necessary, unfortunately the opps didn't find the lead that would have necessitated it. [hv=pc=n&s=s5hada96542cak742&n=sakq87642hkqj5dc6&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=2cp3dp4sp7n]266|200[/hv] Unusual auction consisting only of jump bids and the best hand I've ever held opposite a 2♣ opener, unfortunately they didn't lead a spade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msjennifer Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 An easy single dummy problem similar to GEORGE S COFFINS UNBLOCKING as described in one of his masterpieces "FROM A TO Z" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted September 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 An easy single dummy problem similar to GEORGE S COFFINS UNBLOCKING as described in one of his masterpieces "FROM A TO Z"Out of interest, after a 1S opening would you force to game with North hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 Since it is described as a classroom problem, perhaps a classroom observation is appropriate. It can be very useful to count 12 tricks and then plan out how they will be taken. In this case. it's 7 spade tricks,. 2 heart tricks, 2 diamond tricks, 1 club trick.. What can go wrong? And what can be done? As soon as we see that the heart A is not needed to total 12, and then see that is an obstacle, we are apt to see the solution. Not all hands can be thoroughly planned at T1, but some can. Not that I always take my own advice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Badger Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 play ♦A, ♦K and drop ♥A on ♦K. run ♥Q discarding a ♣ if East does not cover. Welcome to the forum and well done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 Out of interest, after a 1S opening would you force to game with North hand?A 4NT opening (asking for specific aces) is a bid that I never make at the table - but often seem to make in discussion forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 A 4NT opening (asking for specific aces) is a bid that I never make at the table - but often seem to make in discussion forums.It wouldn't help you here, if you got the answer of two aces. Just realised you might be talking about the original hand. It still wouldn't help, but in this case because you don't have enough tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 Correct In real play, I've only seen one hand where discarding an ace might have been necessary, unfortunately the opps didn't find the lead that would have necessitated it. [hv=pc=n&s=s5hada96542cak742&n=sakq87642hkqj5dc6&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=2cp3dp4sp7n]266|200[/hv] Unusual auction consisting only of jump bids and the best hand I've ever held opposite a 2♣ opener, unfortunately they didn't lead a spadeWouldn't be such a great contract if the reason for not leading a spade was not having one.:) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted September 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 A 4NT opening (asking for specific aces) is a bid that I never make at the table - but often seem to make in discussion forums.My question was to msjennifer about the responder in the OP hand. But yes opener in your hand might like to use 4nt, although he needs an unusual version as he lacks three aces of which only two of interest. We would have bid 1S 2D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD350LC Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 play ♦A, ♦K and drop ♥A on ♦K. run ♥Q discarding a ♣ if East does not cover.I agree with this mostly, but in my view, it does not matter if East does cover. I still would discard a club-and two more on the other hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlbridge Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 One basically count to 12 and then realized the need to throw away the A of Hearts. I personally will never find the line in real time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msjennifer Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 Out of interest, after a 1S opening would you force to game with North hand?As a matter of fact ,although there is a Qxx support and 13 HCP there are 8 losers and there are no ruffing values allso.The game can be there if S has 6 or less losers.He has not opened 1NT and so if he has a normal 5332 hand and 7 losers 4S may not make.Playing Precision a response of 1NT is .one round forcing followed by 3S the next round.Playing Standard we bid 2D and follow with 2/3/4 S depending on openers rebid.I can not for sure say what will be the bidding by a pair which plays gadget like Gazzilli.In the present South hand there are four losers and the slam will duly be reached.This apart one has to play with the field and so a bid of 2NT by N is quite acceptable as with 13 HCP every other pair is almost certain to bid some game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 Wouldn't be such a great contract if the reason for not leading a spade was not having one.:) True but in reality they split, am going to be in 7♠ or 7N, not making either if they're 4-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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