jm02130 Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 My hand: AKQ AQJxx x AKxx Robot's hand: xxxx K109 xxx xxx Auction: 2c, 2d (described as waiting), 2h, 3c (described as "better minor", less than 11 hcp) 5c, 6c Any human idiot will bid 3h or 4h (if playing fast arrival) over 2h. Nor would any human raise a second suit to 6 with three small without showing support for opener's first suit. This kind of silliness is fine for BBO tournaments that are free, but not in ACBL robot tournaments that cost $1.25. Supporting opener's first bid suit with Kxx is not rocket science. I feel cheated out of my entry fee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 3♣ should be a double negative. With a King???but your point is valid must bid 6♥.I think this is something even a non advanced robot should do, it is that fundamental and has been happening a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm02130 Posted September 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 3c was not described as a double negative. It was described as "better minor" even though Mr. Robot had only three of them. I don't care how the programmers want the robots to play it, just describe it accurately. And don't bypass Kxx support in opener's first bid suit to do something assinine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerriman Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 3c was not described as a double negative. It was described as "better minor" even though Mr. Robot had only three of them. You misread. 3♣ is described as "cheaper minor", which is an artificial double negative, not "better minor". [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?sn=smerriman&s=SAKQHAQJ54D7CAK83&nn=Robot&n=S7654HKT9D853C952&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=2C(Strong%20two%20club%20--%2019+%20HCP%3B%2023+%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%20to%202N)P2D(2D%20bid%20waiting%20--%20forcing%20to%202N)P2H(Opener%27s%20suit%20--%205+%20%21H%3B%2019+%20HCP%3B%2023+%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%20to%203H)P3C!(Cheaper%20minor%20--%20forcing%20to%203H)P5C(5+%20%21H%3B%20strong%20rebiddable%20%21C%3B%2029-30%20total%20points)P6C(2+%20%21C%3B%203+%20total%20points)PPP]400|300[/hv] During the auction there would also have been a red ring around 3♣ alerting it as artificial (doesn't show up in handviewer links). Cheaper Minor As A Second Negative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 During the auction there would also have been a red ring around 3♣ alerting it as artificial (doesn't show up in handviewer links). Cheaper Minor As A Second Negative Why doesn't BBO change the description to 2nd negative? Certainly a lot more descriptive for most people compared to Cheaper Minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm02130 Posted September 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 Even if its a second negative, the Robot should correct 5c to 5h, which makes. Another fiasco earlier today. I have __ Kxx AKQ10xxx AJxx.Robot has xxxx Kx Jxx xxxx (that may not be exact) Auction goes 3s on my left, pass pass 4d by me, pas pass, 4s, 5c by me, pass, 7c by Mr. Robot. 5d is cold, 5c is cold, 6d might make on a squeeze. What bid of mine justified Mr. Robot's leap into the stratosphere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm02130 Posted September 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 Even if its a second negative, the Robot should correct 5c to 5h, which makes. Another fiasco earlier today. I have __ Kxx AKQ10xxx AJxx.Robot has xxxx Kx Jxx xxxx (that may not be exact) Auction goes 3s on my left, pass pass 4d by me, pas pass, 4s, 5c by me, pass, 7c by Mr. Robot. 5d is cold, 5c is cold, 6d might make on a squeeze. What bid of mine justified Mr. Robot's leap into the stratosphere? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 Even if its a second negative, the Robot should correct 5c to 5h, which makes. Making a simple preference bid to opener's first bid suit with equal (or greater) length in both of opener's first bid and presumably longer suit seems beyond the capabilities of GIB on too many auctions. Maybe this will be perfected by GIB 10.0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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