How the heck should we proceed

[steve2005]

Nobody appears to have directly asked the key question - What did Pd promise with her one spade bid? My partnership will answer with any reasonable 5hcp. Thus, our 3 spade bid is much stronger than average. 3S says - Did you really have your 1S call? (about 6+) If so, bid 4. However, if 1S shows 7+ always, then 3 spades is too weak at IMPS, as Pd's minimum hand is sufficient for game. When asking what is the right bid in any auction, one must know the language being used or the answer is useless.

 

I had a similar thought too. But responding on 7+ is not the norm 6+ is.

To me this is a max 3S bid. Yes is imps but partner knows this too.

With most of my partners we respond on 5 hcp. Sometimes even less especially with a 5-card suit and no fit for partners opening.

With some hands we respond with 4S won't have a good play.

Also we play weak NT so we try to respond so opener can rebid 1NT.

[Cyberyeti]

I had a similar thought too. But responding on 7+ is not the norm 6+ is.

To me this is a max 3S bid. Yes is imps but partner knows this too.

With most of my partners we respond on 5 hcp. Sometimes even less especially with a 5-card suit and no fit for partners opening.

With some hands we respond with 4S won't have a good play.

Also we play weak NT so we try to respond so opener can rebid 1NT.

 

We bid 1♠ pretty freely, but also raise to 3♠ more often then most, is partner expected to bid 4 with any hand with 5 spades and 2 kings ? Not for us, so I'm bidding game and yes it can be horribly wrong.

[JanisW]

This is a such a maximum 3♠-bid, that you want Partner to accept with less than is considered sufficient.

But it is also no 4♠-bid yet, as everybody responded 1♠ to 1♣ where 3♠ might already be tough to make.

 

The reason I advocate bidding 3♠ are:

• LTC = 6
  
• poor ♠-suit I'd much rather have AQxx,Axxx,Ax,Axx
  
• no intermediates whatsoever to potentially complement some Quacks P might hold. QJxx♣ is so much more powerful if you bring the T to the party...
  

 

regards

JW

[akwoo]

Play weak NT. :P Then this is an easy 3!S bid.

[Cyberyeti]

Play weak NT. :P Then this is an easy 3!S bid.

 

Not true at all. We play a weak NT, but this is far too good for 3♠ which we'd do on 16 balanced or 14-15 4??5

 

My question above stands, do you expect partner to bid 4♠ with 5 spades, 2 kings and out ?

[steve2005]

Del dup

[steve2005]

Why would ypu needt to jump playing weak nt? A simple raise to 2S shows at least 25 in hcp or support pt

Jumping on 16 simply unnecessary

[Cyberyeti]

Why would ypu needt to jump playing weak nt? A simple raise to 2S shows at least 25 in hcp or support pt

Jumping on 26 simply unnecessary

 

What? 2♠ can be a 35(14) 10 count, an ace and a trump better than that is worth a jump.

[steve2005]

Your opening has 13 support points but doesnt satisfy rule of 19 or 20

If you had 11 hcp it would have 14 support points and thus a nonminimum

[Cyberyeti]

Your opening has 13 support points but doesnt satisfy rule of 19 or 20

If you had 11 hcp it would have 14 support points and thus a nonminimum

 

err 5+4+10 = 19 it is rule of 19, that's the basis on which we open it (I never use support points), 3604 9 count we would also open at the one level.

[kuhchung]

I usually bid 3S with 18 bal, but considering how pure this hand is and it even has a doubleton i'll bid 4S.

 

Really though is everyone bidding 4S with a bunch of random 18s? I thought BBF duked this out long ago

 

i don't want to be in 4S with 18 opposite 0-6!

[Tramticket]

Really though is everyone bidding 4S with a bunch of random 18s? I thought BBF duked this out long ago

 

Not with a bunch of random 18s. But I value this as worth more than 19.

[Cyberyeti]

Not with a bunch of random 18s. But I value this as worth more than 19.

 

I was considering what I opened it, we play that the bottom of a 2N opener is a better than average 19, and I thought this was VERY close, if it had been any 19 I'd have opened 2N in a heartbeat.