etha Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 You are playing in an event where all the opponents players are equivalent to the top 100th player in the world. 30, 16 bd matches using some victory point scale. All systems are allowed even forcing passes pick your favourite and read on. if you have a partner their hand shd appear in a later post. So bd one non vul dealer north. You are north with [hv=pc=n&n=saqj64ht96dkt9ckj]133|100[/hv] Feel free to respond with any interesting points about the hands or bidding as we go on. I'm guessing this is pretty straight forward so far for most systems you just have to decide whether this is in your NT range if you include 5 card spades in them. So my first question is what do you evaluate this hand to be worth for NT, 14, 15 or some other amount? Also let me know if you didn't open 1♠ or 1NT. I'll keep adding to this topic as the hand develops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etha Posted August 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 If you did not bid 1♠ skip to the next post. If you opened 1♠ partner bids 2♣ unless you are playing something strange in which case feel free to tell me partners hand is two posts down. and west overcalls 2♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etha Posted August 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 If you opened 1NT partner bids 2♣ and the next hand overcalls 2♦ partners hand is in the next post in case you play something interesting over 1nt. For example if you play Heeman they wld make another bid , does anyone play this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelicityR Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 Playing a 15-17 NT it's a borderline NT opener. It's a 14 count with a five card ♠ suit with a bit of everything. I'd probably open 1♠ and rebid no-trumps. If the hand were ♠AQJxx ♥T9 ♦KT9 ♣KJx I'd open 1NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etha Posted August 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 Here is partners hand for those people wanting to bid the hand with a partner or playing anything even slightly non standard. [hv=pc=n&s=s83haq43d3caqt853]133|100[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelicityR Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 Here is partners hand for those people wanting to bid the hand with a partner or playing anything even slightly non standard. [hv=pc=n&s=s83haq43d3caqt853]133|100[/hv] Looks like you will end up in a 3NT contract played by North. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 Looks like you will end up in a 3NT contract played by North. Yes. We play a weak NT and this hand is marginal. If we choose to treat it as a 14 count our auction would be: 1NT, 2S*; 2NT*, 3H; 3NT. The 2S bid is a transfer to clubs, 2NT denies XXX or better and 3H shows 6-4 in clubs and hearts (Stayman followed by 3C would be 5-4). If we choose to treat as a 15 count (better), the auction would be 1S, 2C; 2NT, 3H; 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etha Posted August 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 Yes. We play a weak NT and this hand is marginal. If we choose to treat it as a 14 count our auction would be: 1NT, 2S*; 2NT*, 3H; 3NT. The 2S bid is a transfer to clubs, 2NT denies XXX or better and 3H shows 6-4 in clubs and hearts (Stayman followed by 3C would be 5-4). If we choose to treat as a 15 count (better), the auction would be 1S, 2C; 2NT, 3H; 3NT. I didn't include this as my response to 1NT as I assumed more people played your sequence as shortage showing than natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar13 Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 [hv=pc=n&s=s83haq43d3caqt853&n=saqj64ht96dkt9ckj&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1np2c2d2sp3cp3nppp]266|200[/hv]1NT = 12-15 balanced, may have five-card major2♣ = Stayman2♠ = 4 or 5 spades, denies 4 hearts3♣ = 5+ clubs, game forcing.3NT = To play, diamonds stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etha Posted August 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 [hv=pc=n&s=s83haq43d3caqt853&n=saqj64ht96dkt9ckj&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1np2c2d2sp3cp3nppp]266|200[/hv]1NT = 12-15 balanced, may have five-card major2♣ = Stayman2♠ = 4 or 5 spades, denies 4 hearts3♣ = 5+ clubs, game forcing.3NT = To play, diamonds stopped. This might be more interesting for you if west overcalls 3♦. What is happening now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msjennifer Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 When opening a hand we consider the play value of honor cards we treat KJ as only three points and four points only if it is KJx.WE never suppress a five card major as strong as this one and hence shall open 1S..Over RHOs 2D we shall bid 2S .a bid which was our bid if RHO had passed.Our Partner would bid 3H a descriptive bid knowing fully well that opener Just can’t have 4 cards in heart.This of course is a game force and opener shall bid 3NT with the useful valuable KJ and DK. As also this hand has 14 HCP we shall not open 1NT (15/17) even if a small spade be removed and placed in the club suit (making the hand 4333,)In that case(4333 hand)will automatically open 1NT.as we play Precision.(13/15 NT).Over this P will bid 2S tr.to clubs and over the forced 3C he shall bid 3H showing a 6C/4H GF hand.Opener will then bid 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamijd Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 I'm not sure what the problem is, honestly. You will get to 3NT by North one way or another. I play 15-17 NT, so I would open 1S (there is no reason to upgrade this hand). 2C (2D) and now you can either pass (my choice), in which case partner probably bids 2H and you end up in NT, or else bid 2NT, in which case partner raises to 3. If you pass and LHO bids 3D, you'll bid 3NT when it comes back round. Seems like 3NT ought to produce 9 tricks, no? Cheers,mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etha Posted August 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 ok so no one seems to think there is any reason to investigate any slam for any reason. Let me ask just one more question where do you want to play the hand if you can see both hands and know west has overcalled 2♦. This is probably a hard question lets see what anyone says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanisW Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 6♣ from South is propably an easy make...but I do not know how to get there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamijd Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 6C is not so fantastic. You will likely make if West's spade holding is (A) Kxx, (B) Kx AND East has the Kh, © Kxxx and you guess the Kh, or (D) Kxxx with AQJd. Not bad, given that West overcalled and thus is a slight favorite to hold the Ks, but not wonderful by any means. And that doesn't consider 5/0 trump breaks, 6/0 heart splits, and the like. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelicityR Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 6♣ from South is propably an easy make...but I do not know how to get there... 6♣ is probably an easy make if the cards turn up in the right place. At this vulnerability after 1♠ - 2♣ (2/1) or 1NT - 2♣ (Stayman), 2♦ could be lead directional with shape not points. Additional Edit: I would only consider the dicey contract of 6♣ if I were looking for a top in a pairs competition. Though how you get there is anyone's guess. Playing 2/1 a bidding sequence such as 1♠- 2♣ -(2♦)- 2NT - 3♣ - 3♠ with 3♠ showing a maximum NT rebid hand (good 14 count) and ♣ support, ♠ control is a suggestion but whether that is a valid sequence I honestly do not know not being familiar with the intricacies of 2/1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 With my favorite partner, we play weak NTs but never open 1 NT with a 5 card major. After a 2/1 2 ♣ response and 2 ♦ overcall, I would pass this hand back to partner who would continue with a 2 ♥ rebid followed by a 3 NT rebid by opener. So our auction would be -- 1 ♠ - (P) - 2 ♣ - 2 ♦P - (P) - 2 ♥ - (P)3 NT- All pass 2 NT for us directly over 2 ♦ would show extras and stoppers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etha Posted August 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 With my favorite partner, we play weak NTs but never open 1 NT with a 5 card major. After a 2/1 2 ♣ response and 2 ♦ overcall, I would pass this hand back to partner who would continue with a 2 ♥ rebid followed by a 3 NT rebid by opener. So our auction would be -- 1 ♠ - (P) - 2 ♣ - 2 ♦P - (P) - 2 ♥ - (P)3 NT- All pass 2 NT for us directly over 2 ♦ would show extras and stoppers. with 4+ hearts wouldn't opener always bid 2♥ on this auction? So you know there is no heart fit. partner might have 5 diamonds and be trapping too? Or would dbl be penalties already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanisW Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 Should've been more precise with my wording. 6♣ propably is an easy make on the actual layout, but there is no way to get there. And truth be told, you do not want to be there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar13 Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 This might be more interesting for you if west overcalls 3♦. What is happening now? [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1np2c3d3sp4cp4sp5cppp]133|100[/hv]1NT = 12-15 balanced, may have five card major2♣ = Stayman3♠ = five spades4♣ = five+ clubs, <3 spades4♠ = good spades, in case partner wants to play a possible 5-2 fit.5♣ = to play, would gamble a pass at matchpoints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamJson Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1np2c3d3sp4cp4sp5cppp]133|100[/hv]1NT = 12-15 balanced, may have five card major2♣ = Stayman3♠ = five spades4♣ = five+ clubs, <3 spades4♠ = good spades, in case partner wants to play a possible 5-2 fit.5♣ = to play, would gamble a pass at matchpoints.4C sounds like a cue bid to me. I think you would need a very good understanding with partner for him to know it had the meaning described. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etha Posted August 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 So anyway to sum up I dealt 100 hands where the NS hands were the same and west bid 2♦. 6nt is a make on 57 of these and there were 3 where 6♣ makes and 6nt does not. No idea if there were any where 6nt made and 6♣ doesn't, pretty unlikely east has a void. 9 of the 6nt were only makeable by south. surprised we had no strong 1nt openers and no 14-16 nt openers which rather defeated the bidding problem as its much harder to investigate 6 now. I may do some more of these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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